Genealogy Chat

Hello friends,

A beautiful sunny day and it is going to be warm at last!

Robert, I, too, am sorry to hear your problems all arrived in one package and, even though your 'fortune' is much reduced, that is no excuse for 'clamming up' on us. I seem to remember that you were going to Bournemouth was it this month?

The days are much too nice to spend in your shell!

Evelyn, your mother will eventually appear - I know you won't give up nor will those lovely friends.

Anne - I have Bourne family from Sussex in my tree and know another one where there are others. Let me know any details for your Emma Sophia and I will have a good look for you.

Frank - how do you manage to do all this decorating and work? Although I haven't quite forgotten helping P almost fifty years ago with decorating at night after his day's work and my efforts with two little boys, a dog and two Siamese cats. What energy we all had then!

Susan, Cynthia, Sylvia and Josie - hope all is going well - I am following your news.

Susan, dil's parents are not long back from a trip to WA - her sister lives in Nannup! They also stayed in Perth for awhile and had a wonderful time. He has just gone off to South America on a butterfly (his great enthusiasm) trip!

Love,
Rxx

Yes Reece ,
I was supposed to be in Bournemouth today actually, but decided not to go.
It is not easy to get from here in the North East to Bournemouth and I felt the cost to the Organisation could not be justified and the money could be better used in other directions.
They will send me a copy of the Minutes (which I shall read in my shell - if my eyes hold out)

Hello Everyone,
Here I am again, still coughing well but starting to feel a little better.
Ron has to go back to the eye specialist today as his Iritis is back again.
Well still no sign of my mother for some reason she seems to want to remain hidden, I wonder what her big secret was, I doubt that we will ever know.
Both Ron and I have cataracts though neither of us need them removed yet something to look forward to, are you in the same position Robert or do you need yours attended to right away?
The weather here is wonderful today beautiful sunshine and no wind, I might sit out in the garden later and read my book.
Lovely to hear from you Reece are the familly all well?
Coffee time, anyone fancy a cup?
Love to all
Evelyn XX

Evelyn,
Back to Optician/Optometrist in 6 months for possible referral to eye Surgeon.

Regards.

Not too serious at the moment then Robert.
We are very lucky here in Guernsey as we have excellent eye care hope its the same where you are.

Hi Everyone

Glad to hear you are finally getting some sunshine in the UK I can contest to it being very cold when I was over in Feb.

We have at last got some rain ...it just poored down last night and it has been raining all day today .
The gardens really needed it ,when it gets so dry we get lots of bushfires and they can be deadley for some of the folks that live in the bush.
Fires can very quickley get out of hand but with this rain that helps.

Nice to hear from you Reece, happy to hear your family had a lovely trip to WA ,I know Nannup very well ...pretty place not to many people live there but like all the country towns they are growing very fast as people are flooding out of Perth.
To much trouble there with the lovely youths of today in Perth causeing trouble where ever the go,I hate to think what it will be like in twenty or so years.

Opthomoligist next Friday he is also a Surgeon but he is treating me for Glocoma.Very nervous as to how much site I have lost ,he will give me another Fields test, I hate that test but it must be done.

Going to get dinner on a bit late tonight with it all and I can finally say I am cold Ha! Ha!

Love to you all
Suex

Evelyn Sorry no sign of your Mother but don't loose heart she will turn up .

Hello friends. I didn't realise I havent been on here for a couple of days...losing track of time....must be a sign of old age!


What a lovely surprise to see that Robert, Evelyn and Reece had popped in. Poor Robert........having to 'shell' out all that money.....pardon the pun! Take a little time to recover from the shock and then you will feel strong enough to pop out and see us again.


Your mother is a mystery Evelyn but I wouldn't give up yet. Fans will do her very best and she's good at searching. Here's hoping Diane turns up soon!


The weather here is really springlike and is very heartening after that gloomy winter. It's lovely to see the washing blowing on the line. We have a beautiful clump of yellow and purple primula at the front of the house and they make you smile just looking at them.


Had a sobering day yesterday when I sat with my friend in hospital whilst her husband's funeral was taking place. She now seems to have a form of dementia and, although she know me, she kept saying that it was her father who had died. I read some prayers from the funeral service to her and she was very peaceful and calm which was a blessing. We have been through so much together, but never, ever, did I think that things would turn out this way. Such is life I guess.


Anyway, nearly bedtime so lots of love to you all........ Cx

Hi all
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((((xxx)))) Cyns ... that must have been a hard afternoon for you.


Robert ................. I had cataracts removed from both eyes back in 2001, he did them 6 weeks apart because my eyesight was so poor that he didn't want to leave me with one good eye and one bad one for the usual 6 months ............. so he very sneakily booked the operating room for 2 operations !


What I did not know was that they can put slightly different lens in your eye, so they can change your sight from the very short sight that I had to long sigth.

I went from needing almost "coke bottle" lenses to needing only reading glasses.


But do be warned ........ everything will seem so much brighter afterwards!!

When it comes to having the operation done ....... do please take a pair of sunglasses with you to wear on the way home .......... even if it is raining!




Take care everyone



s
xxx

I now have a vision of Robert in sunglasses and looking rather like The Invisible Man in the old film.......lol Good advice from Sylvia there though. Hope it all works out okay Robert.



I wasn't particularly interested in the Scottish 1911 being released and then, I suddenly realised that I may be able to find OH's grandfather and his family. They were living in Liverpool at that time and should be on the English one but no joy! I am now wondering if they had gone back to Scotland on holiday or whatever, so that is my next mission I think. I was a bit slow on the uptake there......doh


Glorious day so must search out some washing :)


Where's Josie I wonder? Take care all.


Cx

Oh Robert - you must come back to us - we all have set backs at least all yours were at once.

Have to agree with Sylvia on the Sunglasses

Cynthia - what a sad day - at least your friend has been spared a lot of the hearbreak.

Reece lovely to have you back with us - If you think you can shed some light on our brick wall I will add some details for you.

I am sure Diane will turn up somewhere - we had the same sort of situation with my father & he did surface in the end - another man of great mystery.

Such a lovely day - pure blue sky - off to have a meal with some friends tonight - so took the afternoon off.

See Cynthia - I can spend a peaceful afternoon - not rushing around - makes a nice change.

Working tomorrow - then 5 days next week and off till Easter Saturday - we have our hotel visits on the 19th & 20th .

My mums anniversary next week - so feeling a bit down in one way - but excited about out couple of nights away. April is a double edged sword for me.

Well off to get ready for our evening out

Take care all

Reece - here is the info I had and added to GR a while ago

I have been searching for years now (Ancestry - FMP - Record Offices) if you have access to any of the other more expensive ones or are good at wills or newspapers - I would appreciate your ideas.

I am looking for a birth/baptism date & parents for: Emma Sophia Bourn

Marriage details (on ancesrty & at Record office) 18 Dec 1836
St George, Southwark, England
to
Joseph Mallows Edwards (all his details found & proved)

1841 Census
St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, England
Joseph Edwards 25
Emma Edwards 25? poss 21
Richard Edwards 3
Louisa Edwards 5 months

I have Joseph & Richard on all the other census records & know Joseph married again (record office records etc) in 1846 in Epsom

Have now found out that Louisa died June 1847 possibly at the Poor Law Union in Horsley Down.
(thanks to a very kind GR member who cannot update on this thread)

May have found a death record for Emma Oct-Dec 1847 vol 3 page 218 - but can't afford the cert at this moment in time

If she shows up in any of your records it would be amazing. Can't track her down at all - If we can afford it later in the year we are going to try a trip to the LMA.

Thanks for all the help Reece.

Anne

Trying to see if I can help by finding addresses!


Is this your Louisa's baptism?


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Louisa Adeliade Edwards
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1841
Baptism Date: 12 Feb 1841
Father's Name: Joseph Edwards
Mother's Name: Emma Edwards
Parish or Poor Law Union: Horselydown St John
Borough: Southwark

Born:- 8 Jan 1841
Address:- Bermondsy Street
Father's occupation:- Mercantile Clerk



London, England, Deaths and Burials, 1813-1980

Name: Louisa Adelaide Edwards
Record Type: Burial
Estimated Death Date: abt 1847
Burial Date: 1 Jul 1847
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Parish or Poor Law Union: Horselydown St John
Borough: Southwark
County: Surrey

Address:- Horselydown Lane


Note ... I don;t think she died AT the Poor Law Union, that was I think just the Parish Of St John Horsleydown



sylvia

Do you have this Anne

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Joseph Mall?? Edwards
Name: Joseph Mall?? Edwards
Spouse Name: Emma Sophia Brown
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 18 Dec 1836
Parish: St George the Martyr
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark

Witts
John Brown
Mary Brown


Her name appears to br Brown Not Bourn,is that correct.
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How is Everyone today

We had very nice day in the garden,the weather was good for it..... not to much wind and the sun was just warm enough 25c.

Cynthia
I really feel for you ,it must be hard to sit and watch your poor friend go though all that and watch her go down as well.
Keep your chin up she is going to need your friendship even more.

I had a phonecall from my uncle last night ,he does sound a little better but he says he is so lost and I can believe it to they did everything together and you new they loved each other it was just there to see.

Off to watch the footy and see if I have won Lotto tonight,wish ne luck.

Suex

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A possible birth Anne/no Sophia though

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Emma Brown
Name: Emma Brown
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: abt 1820
Baptism Date: 4 Jun 1820
Father's Name: Thomas Brown
Mother's Name: Ann Sophia Brown
Parish or Poor Law Union: St George the Martyr
Borough: Southwark

Hi Everyone

Looks like we all had a busy weekend,I hope it was a good one for all of you with some nice sunshine to go with it

We have had some very welcome rain over this week end and it is still raining today,nice a cool so much so we have got the fire all ready to light.

Our boys next door have been quite good but all is not happy there as one of them had all there belongings left ourside yesterday to the elements from what we could hear he was not payiong his share of the rents so with any luck there are on there out.
We have been told by another neighbour that they are leaving when there lease runs out,can't wait for that.

Off to town today to pay a few bills ,will check in again tonight.

Suex

Hello friends,

Having the kitchen ceiling re-painted - had a leak a few months ago and waited for it to be completely dry.

Anne - I had a good look yesterday for your Emma Sophia but the only place could find was in the 1841 census for St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey, address: Bermondsey Street, Bermondsey, Surrey.

On the same page are: John Bourn, 60, Joseph 25, Mary, 50 and Mary 25 then Joseph Edwards, Emma, Richard and Louisa (5 mths.)

I cannot find her at all after that year. Perhaps her name is recorded as Brown in the following records.

Mine are all Bourne so I don't think any connection. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Love,

Reecexx

Well started to reply to the above and it all fizzled out - so back to square one and started again.

Thank you all for all your help and ideas - Where on earth did you find the reference to Emma Sophia Brown? This could be the root cause of the problem but on all the other info i have found she is down as Bourn.

She is my biggest brick wall so far. She could have died at the same time as her little girl. However Joseph remarried in 1846 I beleive.

I found the new marriage in Epsom - and he was down as a Batchelor naughty naughty - even though the pair of them lived in Southwark - they went to Epsom to marry. The children's baptisms are all in Southwark or Bermondsey. There is something very dodgy about the whole thing.

Joseph & Emma with the two children are on the 1841 Census as above, however in 1851 - Richard is staying at his grandparents for Census night - in 1861 Richard is back with his father & his new wife and family. So looks like they all made friends again.

I don't know where else to try - i have been to the actual records office for the area and found the actual PR's just incase there was a problem with the film (there wasn't) Emma Sophia seems to have vanished off the face of the earth.

Looking back at Dr Who, the Christmas special with Kathryn Jenkins in - do you think Emma was spirited away like her, which is why I Can't find her anywhere.

I will have a good search now to see if i can find any Emma Sophia Browns instead.

Beautiful day here again today. Looks like everyone was too busy over the weekend to pop in for a chat.

Are we all far too busy - or - can't find anything useful to say (when has that ever stopped us) - or - given up as fed up - or - found a better way to use our time - or - none of the above - please enter real reason in the box below.
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Just being silly really - well back to work - you can tell how chuffed I am to want to go back to work.

Take care all - see you all later.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAgh the sides of my box keep moveing back togehter - will nothing go right today

I think i have a gremlin on my shoulder today - as things keep moving around or vanishing.

I am beginning to think I am going very slowly round the bend

Only slowly Anne? I will be going round that bend quicker than you I bet....lol Good luck with all that research.


What a gorgeous weekend but today has been much chillier with some rain. Much as I love all the Dick Francis books, I didn't watch the Grand National 'cos I can't stand to see the horses fall. It just sends shudders down my spine. Well, I suppose that shows I am not spineless though...hahaha


Do hope those lads move out sooner rather than later Sue....life should be much quieter for you then.


Got through a whole load of ironing today.....don't know where it all comes from to be honest. Maybe someone is sneaking in the through the back door and leaving theirs for me to do...:))


Love to all. Cx.

Hi Everyone

Anne the translaters on Ancestry are saying it is Brown but on looking at original image it could say bourn.

Here is another entry under Bourn.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Emma Sophia Bourn
Name: Emma Sophia Bourn
Spouse Name: Joseph Mallows Edwards
Record Type: Banns
Marriage Bann Date: 04 Dec 1836
Parish: St George the Martyr
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark

Thanks Susan - thats the one I had - - I have also seen the original record & i am sure it was Bourn - but all my paperwork & records are at home.

So totally doing my head in like - as i heard my neighbours 6 year old say to her 8 year old friend over the weekend - actions & all hair flicking all over the place - it looked so funny didn't dare laugh.

Too many hours spent watching Legally Blond etc - give me Scooby doo any day. Like totally awsome.

I think we live in a very different world from the one I grew up in - even my husband uses text speak on occasions - but not when he texts - he has a real go when I send him one with mixed letters & numbers. C U Ltr.

Btw I m abt2 gv a msg 2 U - rbtl its gtng ot of hnd ts txt ttg - ql tgbk sys

I will leave you to work this out - bit of rubbish really - one of the kids tried to give me a lesson - I gave up

Lovely day again down here - bit nippy - Is anyone having a street party for the royal wedding? Our street would not even consider the idea - i don't think anyone cares - there was a big thing on the news last night - is anyone interested.

Several people said it was a good excuse for a day off - several of my team think its a good excuse to earn double time on overtime by working that day. I know I could use the money - but I also want a day off.

I am off work next week as we have our hotel visits - its come round very soon - then its Easter back to work for 3 days & off again.

Wonder who is going to visit the thread over this time - we seem to have lost a lot of people recently.

Well must away - have cruise training this afternoon in the dungeon.

Take care all