Genealogy Chat

Sylvia

I agree completely that a lot of people just carry across details from Ancestry trees.

It is also true that some trees contain correct info mixed with wrong info and can help to extend your research. It is necessary to cross reference and verify before incorporating any info.

I shall be interested to learn from the 3 people I contacted why they had not seen the errors of birth. Maybe they will be too embarrassed.

Arthur

Well that seems to have got a few people talking & back on the Thread

I was very lucky this contact had paid for the help of the official archivist & very lucky they were a titled family too as all the main Tree is well established & documented, they even have some of the tree in the ancestral Home guide book.

We went to visit a Few years ago – it would have been lovely to live there then.

During the Tudor times when the country kept switching from Catholic to protestant the family fortunes kept changing.

There were 4 brothers - two stayed Catholic & two moved areas & were protestant. The family fortune changed hands depending On the religion at the time. That way the fortune stayed in the family at all times.

OH side was the side that ended up without the fortune & no large ancestral home in the end.

I agree some of the trees are very suspect & the green leaf is a pain

I check everything I can & never add to the main tree - i think i have 5 or 6 temp trees I am checking still.

I think Family Search has got a lot better

I have to admit - sometimes even with the wrong info in the tree it can point you in the right area to check

Someone i had totally discarded on a tree as the family lived in Gloucestershire & none of the others were anywhere close.

Two years later turned out to be the right family as the daughter had taken work with a family who moved everyone to Bristol (I think it was) and from there she moved on to work in Gloucester & met her future husband. So the family stayed in Gloucester.

That’s why i always keep the info somewhere - it doesn’t always turn out right - & sometimes its completely bombed out.

My 2nd cousin was in the military so very interested in tracing Military lines - when i was younger I remember seeing a photo of my nan & granddad He was in a military uniform. Can i find this photo - no - its been tucked away somewhere very safe - so safe I can’t find it.

I had tried to find his military details & only found someone who had the same name & lived in the same town - but had a different family & address.

My cousin tried but couldn’t find any trace of him anywhere only this other person who as far as i know is not related to our family.

My mother always said he was in France during the 1st World War - they were helped by a French family & when my mother was born he gave her the 2nd name of Alys after this French girl. However I can’t find any trace of him on any records and there are no family left who would know.

This is when i wish i had a time machine or had got involved in the family tree when they were all alive for me to interrogate them.

Hi

another lovely sunny day here :-)



I do agree .............. some very good information can be obtained from ancestry. But I now usually advise people to take the information "on advisement", and check it out themselves.


I don't add anything to my trees without having got documentation ............. but an ancestry tree can often lead you in the right direction. Even if they got it wrong for themselves :-)


I only use the Records section on familysearch ................. they are getting more and more records on there, and you can find Parish Records that are nowhere else.

However, there is now a link up between familysearch and Ancestry, which will probably mean that many records will now also appear on ancestry .............. not surprising as there re close links between the two sites :-)


I keep away from the submitted records and trees on there ............ except as a possible indication of where or what to look for.

You wouldn't believe the mess that my father's ancestral family is in on there due to "member submitted records"

Oh yes i would Sylvia

I spent ages checking out one someone sent me - most of it was wrong - i just send them a few family details & some family info so that i could check their details

They were not very happy when i told them it wasn't the same family - he told me he had been doing this for over a year & mine was wrong - i said i had been doing the work over 20 years now & had documentation from the Record office

They kept all the wtong bits & deleted my family info - i dont think they had anything in common except the one persons name - Good job i didn't send them my tree as well.

Never heard from him again

As i said to My OH - i am very proud of all the work we have done together & how far we have got - even if it has taken us a long time - we started when there was very little online & we had to got to Somerset house & St Catherine's to use the BMD. they were so heavy

It really made you feel you had achieved something - where as now you put in a few names & its all done for you

I still love reading the actual parish records to actually touch the books that were written in the 1500's - its just out of this world i feel very privileged

Before long yopu wont be able to do any work with those books & some people will never have the opportunity to actually touch those books.

I have a lot more work to do & will be starting on the Parish Chest when I get the chance

Hope everyone is keeping well

Unfortunately, I am one of those who will never have the opportunity to touch Parish Registers :-(


and I am so glad that so much is now available on the web :-D



another glorious sunny day here ................ it is getting a little chillier though. It was only 1C at about 9 am

hello all

I found my gt grand dad on a ancestry tree living in the u s a with his wife and children they never left Nottinghamshire /Derbyshire so I put a comment on saying so and a warning for others and they blocked me

so I asked ancestry if they could re move them they said no I should ask the tree holder I asked how as I was blocked did not hear any more

it is nice to see you all posting

we have a few hideing hope they are well

soon be spring :-|only 3 weeks till the clocks go forward

sally w <3

Hi evryone


Sallie ............. our clocks, and those in the US, go forward this coming Sunday, March 8


it's far too early!

Hi Everyone

Nice to be back if only for a short while.

Like all of you I never put anything in my tree that has not been checked and documented,I have found a lot of bad info on Ancestry but find the owners of the trees that you try to correct do not like you telling them they are wrong,I don't bother anymore .

My blood pressure is now OK at the moment ,it just does funny things at times like dropping all of a sudden ...so far so good.

We go up to Perth city on Monday for the first of the hubbys surgeries,should only be up there for a few days as we both hate going up to the big smoke.

There has been a lot of bush fires this year mostly started by young boys who are nearly men but don't act like men,many people have nearly lost their homes because of them .
I am pleased to say it is starting to cool of abit,only a day here and there around the 32c,that is a lot cooler than we have been having.

Roll on Winter,I am much better in Winter than Summer :-),off to finish my ironing :-(.

Love to you all <3

Suex

Susan

Hope all goes well with the surgery.

We are enjoying a run of sunny weather, but it is still cold - maximum 15C today. It is pleasant to get out into the garden.

Further north the weather is not so good and Scotland is 'enjoying' rain and possible floods.

Arthur

susan
I hope the op goes well

cooler wheather comeing your way

whooooooooooooooooo running out of puff whooooo

sally w <3

All the best for the op Sue - hope it cools down a bit for you

Can you send your warm weather in this direction Please

His Sue, and everyone


Sue ............ I hope the surgery goes well xxxx




it was foggy here this morning, then it just became grey cloudy .......... but now the sun is trying to break through. It's 2 pm ......... so we might get a bit of a sunny afternoon


Our clocks went forward on Saturday night / Sunday morning.

It's awful dark at 7 am ................. again :-(





it's my grandson's 5th birthday today ............. but they had the party on Saturday


Mum and Dad rented a room in the canoe club clubhouse (which is less than 5 minutes walk away from their house), so no messing of the house.


Little one's honorary aunt (who will "inherit" him if anything happens to his parents) made his birthday cake .........................


Daughter sent me a photo of it ............



4 cubes of Lego .................. 2 blue, 1 red and 1 yellow :-D


He's mad about Lego :-D

I would very much appreciate help on a matter that is holding up resolution of distribution of an estate where the person died without leaving a will.

The person who died was Grace hack , daughter of Gertrude Eliza Hill & August Haack (changed to Hack as he was a German living in England).

Gertrude had 2 sisters, Lilian Maud Hill, my grandmother, and Edith Grace Hill. there was a brother George Hill - and he is the mystery person.

George Hill is shown on the 1901 Census living with his sisters and widowed mother, Rosa C Hill nee Britten. His age is shown as 5. His father Henry Hill had died in 1894 :-S Sadly Rosa died in 1904.

The administrator of the estate is having trouble finding a birth for George - can you help please

Please let me know if you need further details.

Arthur

I've only just looked here, and ancestry is acting up a bit.


You say that Henry died in 1894, and George is shown as age 5 on the 1901 Census, giving a birth year of 1896 +/- 1


Do you have Henry's death certificate to show exactly when Henry died?


I'm puzzled by the time line



Have you found George on the 1911 Census?



I've looked quickly ................. he does not seem to be with his sisters.


I have 2 thoughts .......... one is that he died before 1911


the other is the possibility that he was not Rosa's child, but of one of the girls?

Arthur

I too have had a quick look in my lunch hour and can find the 1901 but nothing else.

I tried the Death records but nothing jumped out at me

I will keep on searching for you

Sylvia/Anne

Thanks for your interest.

I do not have Henry Hill's death certificate. I employed a professional genealogist who gave me information that he died in the Apr-May-Jun quarter of 1894.

This evening I went on the Deceased Online site to see if I could find his burial. despite looking from 1894 to 1900 I could not find him.

I do not have birth details for George, but the only daughter who might have been his mother - rather than Rosa - is surely Gertrude as she was of an age. Do not think my grandmother, Lilian Maud, could have been the mother - she was a very severe, strict person - a 'Victorian'. Edith Grace was too young.

Tracing George after the 1901 Census is virtually impossible, although I believe that the Probate Research company has achieved the impossible. Unfortunately administration has been granted to a granddauhter of Edith Grace Hill (married name Owen). She is having great difficulty killing off George and any descendants.

I have just looked at the birth of Charles Haack - first born of Gertrude and her Husband. On the baptism record for William Charles August Hack, father is August Joachim Christian Hack and mother is given as Rosa Constance - now I am really confused. It is the correct record as the address is the same as given on the 1901 Census.

Any thoughts?

Arthur ...........



just a little information on the side .............


my maternal grandmother was a very stern Victorian lady, born in 1884 and married in 1902 ................. loving towards me, but expecting high standards of moral behaviour



I bought her marriage certificate and my mother's birth certificate some years ago

........ later study of the two certificates side by side showed that my mother was born less than 7 months after their marriage :-)



I need to do more study ................ the baptism may just be a case of the vicar getting mixed up!

Arthur


do you realise that Gertrude was possibly pregnant when she married August??


They married in the September quarter 1900 .............. so no earlier than July 1 and no later than September 30


William Charles Gordon was registered in the March quarter 1901 .............


babies had to be registered within 6 weeks of birth.


So William Charles Gordon could have been born as early as mid-November 1900 but not after March 31st 1901.





That still does not help us with George Hill, who seems to have completely disappeared after the 1901 census.


On the 1901 Census, George is shown as born in Hackney, London.


Using freebmd, I found 4 George Hills registered in Hackney between 1895 and March quarter 1897 ..................


Births Mar 1895 (>99%)

Hill George Sidney Hackney 1b 622


Births Sep 1895 (>99%)

Hill George Stanley Hackney 1b 585


Births Dec 1896 (>99%)

Hill George Alfred S Hackney. 1b 520


Births Mar 1897 (>99%)

Hill George Frederick Hackney 1b 478


I could not find a death that could match these occurring between 1901 and 1911.

hello all

my oh is in hospital again
when I went to blind club yesterday he was running a bath and was quite all right but on my returne he was not making sense the bath water was still there so I called the doc and he sent for an ambulance have been to see him this afternoon and he has had some blood and a lot better they will give him his horemone injecktion and his drip to help strengthen his bones while hes in nurse said did not think he would be long before he came home

Arthur my gt gran had 4 children wthout marring and my nana born 1873 had her first child not long after she married I think it was comman to have a rushed marrage

sally w <3

Sally

Hope he will be home soon.

My ex Brother-in-law joked at his elder son's wedding "Dressmakers are really good these days. You would never know the bride is 5 months pregnant"
My mother thought it was bad taste but was not at all bothered by the bride being pregnant. She was glad, however, that my father was not alive to see it, as he would have been shocked.

Arthur