Genealogy Chat

Anne,

Wot..........USD 2850.00 ...... for a bag.
It's all Greek to me, sorry !!?

I don't know if I've already told you this story but when I was a youngster,my dream was an SLR camera and I saved up £200.00 to buy one.

Along came a wonderful woman who changed that dream into two rings, two lovely daughters and two great son-in-laws.

I never did get that original SLR which now costs £1100.00
but what is life without a dream...............

One day.

Now then Cynthia, I'm glad to see that you went along for some support, not suggesting that you require any of course ;)

Size is something I never mention as my OH was a svelte 8/10 when we married but two kids and a broken hip / hip replacement later, she had hit 14.
Out buying a dress for the imminent christening, she asked (does my bum look big in this?)
........only kidding, she asked if I would do up the zip when I spotted the size16 label !!!

I know my place and kept my mouth shut.

Anything for a quiet life.

hi there you there me here again

Hey tabs I have a speedy gonzalez in my record cabinet - wasn't his name
" Pat Boone " ??

Has anyone been here: http://www.nls.uk/broadsides/
some very good stories of the past golden old days - well not so golden -

iNDEXING - I am doing it for LDS , at the mo I'm doing Manchester, Lancashire as it is a priority to get it done so as it can all be then put onto their website for all to access for free.
I must say that the LDS are getting more and more info added to both their sites through people like me taking on indexing.

The other site is also for Manchester , Lancashire where you do an intro test, until you get it right , when that happens you are given a spread sheet to complete roughly about 1500 names that are all in zip file to transcribe. I've got a sheet of 16 down to 15mins, but I sorta use my head bit as I also have loaded the complete world census and if a name comes up in a different colour then I go back to it load it into the census as a blanket search to see if there is a name such as it in the world and if it does appear and spelt similar and it is in the english census then bingo so I put that in and the colour changes and I have it , a little time consuming when that happens as it does get hard trying to cypher the hand writing.
I tackle these stumbling blocks after I have finished my sheet other wise I'd never get it done, I find doing all the zips first then return later to fix the hard ones.
And by doing both LDC and Manchester I can cross reference which helps in cyphering the names.

I might add that when submitted and the database doesnot accept it comes back at 100mph for you to fix stating numbers n lines so that you don't have to go looking for it.

Interesting - you bet and I have found some family in the process.

The other place I do some for gives me access to their archives by way of a voucher but one has to get thousands up for 1 credit so if I get bored I go there.

So there you are - the day of an indexer .

Wayno

I found this for reading as well:
A whiff of the past
I was on the bus yesterday evening; an elderly lady sat down in front of me. As she did so, the faintest whiff of mothball wafted past my nose. Her winter coat was evidently on its first outing of the year on this cool autumnal evening.

The smell was immediately familiar, I did not have to puzzle hard about where and when it put me in mind of. For a moment I was totally there - transported by the smell to another time and another place. Not a shred of doubt. The molecules must have ideally matched those which I'd sniffed 45 years earlier.

It was Polish cub scout holidays in Northwick Park, the former army camp between Chipping Campden and Blockley in rural Gloucestershire, in the mid-1960s.

These barracks had been used since the end of the war to house Polish refugees; many carried on living there. The older residents would shuffle about, often wearing dressing gowns as they made their way from their quarters to the communal refectory, shop or clinic. Each summer in the mid-'60s, hundreds (literally!) of children aged six to 11 would suddenly turn up from London.

my point today being to register the precision of memory and how the powerful smell is in triggering intensely powerful recollections of spirit of time and place then.

The Polish refugee experience at Northwick Park (which closed as a resettlement camp in 1968, which is why the following year the scout cubs had their camp in Northern France).
The pics on this wonderful site are at:
http://www.polishresettlementcampsintheuk.co.uk/northwick00.htm

had the same effect as that smell of the mothball yesterday!

Wayno

Hi Everyone

Reece ! it is so nice to hear from you,you are not very far from our thoughts.
We welcome you back with open arms when you are ready.

Frank I too was a size 8 but now sadley a 14 but I am working on that.

Wayno you have really been busy ,I wish I could do what you do but I am not computer savey enough yet.
It sound fasinating work,I was very peased to hear about the Murry,We have a river over here that needs a lot of help and nobody is listening.
I hope they learn to manage the Murry water better now thay have been given a second chance by mother mature.

We are off for the day to Margaret River,Lovely at this time of year,we have had some warm weather of late a bit early but it is nice after a long cold Winter.
Catch you all tonight.
Nice to have some of the old gang back.
Love to you all
Suex

Frank, my OH wouldn't know a size 8 from a size 68 so I'm safe on that one! I think you got a bargain with that £200 and I know you think so too.


Wayne, I live not far from Manchester so that was really interesting to read. I was actually born in Manchester but have never lived there - if that makes sense! What you are doing sounds quite complicated but I bet you're loving it.


Smells....yes, I quite understand the power of smell and now and again I'm reminded of something in the past by an evocative smell.


Hope you have had a lovely day Sue....could just do with a relaxing day in the country.


It's been a lovely day here today and we've been able to get loads of washing dry thank goodness. It's threatened to pour down soon so I'm glad it's nearly bedtime.


Love to all. Cx

Thanks for that Cynthia,

I like to think of it as a small investment which is getting bigger all the time ;))

Like I said the camera's still a dream but perhaps next year ....."Aye, if the weans stoap breedin !"

No, no, I wouldn't have it any other way and only too pleased to help out as required.
I do recall my inlaws (see Anne, I was lucky as I didn't have outlaws) making sure that we were well looked after when we had our young family.

My favourite smell memory is burning fresh wood which reminds me of my youth when we lived in the city and went away camping around Loch Lomond etc with the Boys Brigade & co.
We would make bread dough and cook it twirled on sticks around the camp fire so if I catch a wiff of smoke I can almost taste that bread.

By the way Cynthia, I think your OH would notice if you were a size 68............... or was that a 6/8 ;)

hell Frank you are treading on HOT coals there

All transcribers are at risk of mis-spelling here is one mans investigation of a family:

With the advent of the 1841 – 1901 census being indexed and available online using a process of elimination is now becoming an even more important tool than before for genealogists. Let me give you an example…..

John Southwell marries Susannah Clark at St Mary’s Hornsey in 1829, they are both described as “of this parish”, they have children; Mary Ann, George and Henry and then one day at their home in Queens Head Walk, Shoreditch when they were just settling down to some bread, cheese and small beer there is a knock at the door announcing the census enumerator. This stranger asks for their names, ages, occupations and if they were born in or out of the county in which they are now living. John says he wasn’t born in Middlesex, but everyone else was, his occupation is a leather dresser and he is the only one who is in employment in the household because the children are too young.

Ten years pass and the family have moved to Bermondsey centre of the leather trade and John & Susannah have added another two children to their brood. This time the arrival of the census enumerator marks a change he wants to know more information than last time and in greater detail. When it comes to where everyone was born John gives Norfolk at his place of birth, Susannah gives Hornsey and all the children were born in Hoxton.

More than a century later along comes their 2 x great grand daughter and she is pleased that she has discovered them in the 1851 census, but where exactly in Norfolk was John born? This is where the online census and a process of elimination comes in.

Susannah dies in 1852, but no death can be found for John so the hunt is on to find him in the 1861 census. A search on Ancestry for a John Southwell born about 1804 give or take five years brings up 10 entries. None of them give Norfolk as their place of birth, none of them were in the leather trade and most of them had children whose names didn’t coincide with those of my John Southwell. I hadn’t narrowed the search to Norfolk because experience had taught me that my ancestors can change their minds from one census to the next as to where they were born!

I decided to search the 1871 census for John Southwell using the same birth parameters, this time there were ten candidates to be looked at. Some I recognized from before and I could eliminate them immediately. Amongst the ten were 2 born in Norfolk, one I had met before in the previous census, but he had been happily married and having children in Wisbech, Cambridgeshire whilst my John had been doing the same in London. The other was living in Wisbech Work House and was born in 1804 at Walsoken Norfolk, did he belong to me?

Going back to the 1861 census and searching for a Southwell, no first name, born in Walsoken brought up this chap I. Southwell. An inspection of the actual census page showed that this was indeed a transcribers error, an easy one to make, but an error never the less. The “I” was in fact a “J” and this person was an inmate of Wisbech Work House. The enumerator had been confused about what to put in the relationship column and had put father, then crossed it out and written pauper inmate. Below J Southwell entry was another Southwell, this time it was a C Southwell, daughter crossed out and replaced with pauper inmate, aged 14 years, a scholar and born in Walsoken. Was this my John’s daughter Charlotte? The age was correct, but place of birth should have been Hoxton, Shoreditch or even just London. If this was my John then had he given his daughters place of birth as Walsoken because he wanted to keep her in the same work house as himself or was it an assumption of the enumerator or work house official?

I went on and found John Southwell in the 1881 census, it seemed that once he entered the Walsoken Workhouse he didn’t leave. I can’t find him in the 1891 or 1901 census so it would seem as if he has died. A search of the GRO death indexes on Ancestry.co.uk gave me 3 possible deaths of a John Southwell, none of them have exactly the right age, but all are within give or take 6 years.

My next steps are to locate and inspect the Wisbech Union Workhouse records to see if the admission records have survived and what they say about J & C Southwell on their admission to the workhouse.

If I hadn’t had access to indexed census records and scans of the originals I wouldn’t have been able to eliminate the John Southwell’s throughout the country that obviously had been married and having children when my John was married to Susannah and raising their family. I would have been able to narrow down the search to age range and place of birth. Having the GRO indexes online meant that I could search for deaths for the John Southwell at Wisbech.

All this without leaving home, isn’t the internet great?!!

Makes it so easy A

Wayno

Hi all


Sue .... we went to Margaret River when we were down there in 1975/76 .... bought some wonderful wine from a winery :))))


It was another beautiful day here, started off very cloudy and "iffy" looking, but then the sun burnt off the cloud. I think we have 1 more day of this Indian Summer.

We decided last night that we would get a new dishwasher for the reno kitchen. We currently have a portable one, it's on wheels and you move it back and forwards across the kitchen as needed. They can allegedly be built-in by taking off the wood top and the wheels ..... but people have had problems.

Soooooooo ....... this morning, with no further ado, we went for coffee and then down to our favourite appliance store. Didn't do any pre-reading, onine study or anythng. Just knew that I wanted white (hate stainless steel!), wanted the cutlery "basket" to be in the door not taking up space in a rack, liked the one we had (Whirlpool) but the other appliances are Maytag and have been good .... so wasn't particular as to make.

Got down to the store .......... took about 5 minutes walking through the store to find the dishwashers, right near the entrance OF COURSE!. About 3 minutes to decide that one seemed to fit our needs ......... manufacturer Amana.

Anotehr 4 or 5 minutes to find a salesman ............ and then we signed, paid, and walked out the door!

It will be delivered on Wednesday ....... and will sit in the living room until the plumbers come back to install it!

This afternoon, I checked it out on the internet ................. and it seems that we picked a Best Buy!!

It also seems that Whirlpool owns Maytag and Amana ................. so they're all part of the same corporate entity!

J and M will go hairless when they hear ........ they are already looking for the things they want for the addition plus renovated kitchen they plan to do .......... in 5 years time!! They research everything, check all the best buys, Consumer Reports, double and triple check all the ins and outs, go round all the stores, etc etc etc!

J actually just shakes her head, but M just cannot understand us!


OH ripped out the last of the cabinets today .. which meant the sink had to go. The plumbers come at 9 am on Monday morning, but will return to do the final installation of sink and dishwasher after the flooring and new cabinets have been done.

Luckily, we have 2 bathrooms ... and the guest bathroom is now the Kitchen Bathroom.

No visitors allowed!!



take care everyone


s
xx

Wonderful to see you back with us Reece -

Frank - I agree sounds like you had a good deal there for £200.

Found the Tote bag - one of a kind - went direct to the designer - this is a bargain as it is a one off - only $3825 + shipping & packing (USD that is)
Its not that nice looking either -

Sylvia thats exactly what my OH does - goes to the shop has a quick mooch - narrows it down to 1 or 2 & buys it (when we have the money that is) - So is your kitchen going to be WHITE then as still no colour scheme mentioned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sue sounds like you had a wonderful day out

Cynthia - alas I too use to be an 8 but creeping up to a dreaded 14 now - ITS AN AGE THING - but after seeing the latest office photo - I NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT & SOON - look like a balloon on a stick with a puffy face - horrid

Evelyn - have you arrived back yet or been blown back to Jersey?

Wayne - always a joy to have you back with us- I love reading your stories. Could you do the same for me as I have lost at least 2 people on census & don't have the time at the moment to do loads of searching out.

I use to be a census enumerator for my district in 1991 & 2001 it was a lot of fun & I made sure all my entries were well written - for the next generation to do family research.

I also use to work for the LDS transcribing cnesus & other records - that was the days before the computers & Internet - all done by hand - using 2 sets of records & hand transcription. You received a large wad in the post direct to the meeting house & went & collected them once a month. Dragged home a largish box & sorted them out - took them back as soon as you finished & collected the next one & so on.

Hard work but lots of fun - after a while I became a checker (promotion) - I had boxes delivered to me at home & I had 4 to check as two people did the transcription & I checked them to make sure it was right - these were then sent back to the HQ & off to London & eventually Salt Lake to add on the database.

You may one day see my name on the LDS records as I worked on that for over 4 years - I loved every min of it.

I did start doing some for the NA but didn't have enough time to devote to it.

Think I may get back to it again if I can find the time We need to win the Lotto so I can retire & devote my time to transcription & study as well as trying to clear my brick walls.

Well back to the housework - & ironing & sorting Sunday Lunch.

Good job I don't want to sit down as both cats have taken over the Sofa - with a large space between themI might add - I could just about squeeze in if I am careful - but no time to park the *** amyway. Oh has been relegated to the arm chair.

Take care all

Hi Cynthia,

I have family in Manchester, Lancaster and Cheshire.

We could be related!!!

Looks like a game of Happy Families could be about to start

Wayne, Robert & Cynthia any one else want to join in?

Alas I haven't any connection in that area

Anyone heard from Josie?

Hi all
xxx


and I was born in Oldham, which is now part of Greater Manchester

not only that, but Cynthia and I have at least one name in common in our trees


that name in my tree originates from Yorkshire and Westmorland.


Anne ....... sorry!

Colour scheme ....... not completely determined yet as have not chosen the exact shades of paint BUT on the warm sandy beige / Arizona desert beiges palette

Flooring is "river stone", colour Dawn ... which means it has warm beiges in it. I have not yet chosen the countertops .... but the two shades I have in mind pick up that colour, one quite dark the other much lighter. OH is pushing me .... but I would really like to see what the flooring looks like first.

Cabinets are coming base painted and OH will paint them, and the walls.

Appliances are all white, except for the microwave we bought last year which is stainless steel .......... but it was the only one in the size and with the simplicity that we were looking for.

The ceiling, wood around two archways (no doors) and the window, baseboards, etc will be semi-gloss white, just as in the rest of the house!



Weather's changing here ..... cloudy and cooler today .... but no rain expected until tomorrow



off for a mooch



s
xx

Wayne, Frank is always treading a very delicate path on here I can assure you....but he keeps on treading.:)


Robert, I am sure it would be a pleasure to be related to you. However, my family lines hail from Buckinghamshire and Kent - my parents just happened to work in the North. I don't think I have one single Northern ancestor to be honest.


We haven't heard from Josie in a while have we? I'll check and see if she is okay I think.


Golly, but it rained here this morning! I met someone who was on their way to the Lakes.....I said not to bother, the Lakes had come to us!


Sounds like Sylvia got a bargain too........not just with her new dishwasher but with her OH. He sounds a very talented guy doesn't he?


|Anne, don't go mad on the losing weight thing. Too much dieting as one gets older can age the face and we don't want that do we?? I think my left leg is a size 14....lol


Ah well, off for a browse before Downton Abbey comes on tv. Love to all.. Cx

Cynthia - my OH comes from Kent and a lot of his ancestors - we could be related. Who knows we could all end up being related on here.

If the leg is a 14 whats the rest? as if I would really ask.

Sylvia - kitchen sounds lovely makes me wish I had the cash to do ours again - mine is now 16 years old - Sounds a bit weird but looks lovely - cupboards are cream with loads of very tiny pink dots - so gives a very warm colour with Mahogany edges that bring out the warm pink.

I love Downton Abbey too, hadn't realised it was the chap from Lark Rise to Candleford in it. I think it will be good once it gets going. I love Martin Shaw but not in George Gently its the voice thats wrong - story lines are good.

Well off line now for the evening as up early tomorrow - we have the chocolate people in again on Tuesday with loads of free samples - If i could send them by thread I would.

Rain Cynthia - more like monsoon - since yesterday afternoon - had a couple of hours reprieve this morning & then torrential downpour again - Friday was just as bad, We were in Canterbury on saturday & the river was up to the top of the bridge - 1st time I had seen that this year - poor swans couldn't get to the other side - they had to walk across the car park to get to the river instead of swimming around to it.

Take care all - perhaps the happy families are Wayne - Robert & Sylvia now.

hell fancy being on here this hr of the morning,

water up to the bridges seem getting close to flood level to me?

Sylvia sounds like you are starting all over again from scratch?

If you want me to check as I go along with these indexing etc PM me your names that are with in Manchester, Lancashire and I will keep note of them, as the ones that I do as you know have not yet been released to the sites so you just never know what one finds.
Ones I have been doing of late have just about got all the family listed in the burial records. there was 50 plus on the last sheet of 12 families.

well bye for now

Wayno

Don't worry about dieting unless you combine it with a bit of exercising as well.
My OH still hasn't figured out that if you keep eating the same amount of food with the addition of Ryvita, it doesn't make you any slimmer.
In fact she now thinks that ryvita makes you fat...........

By the way, my Glasgow side came up from Kingswalden, Hertfordshire but he was the black sheep of the family!!
...........I thought he may have bumped into Cynthia's bunch on the way up but she assures me that we are not related ;)

It's pouring down up here as well.

Wayno, you'd better jump on a chair pronto - don't want you drowning do we :))


Not too much choccy Anne...............save some for us.



My lot saw your black sheep coming and hid round the corner Frank!

There's some very nice Ryvita in the shops you know...all different flavours. Takes one's mind off chewing cardboard.



OH had a temporary crown on a tooth today. When the dentist had finished, OH stood up and started fishing around in his mouth with his finger.....we thought he was getting a bit of grit out.....oh no. He dislodged the whole thing and had to get back on the couch and have it re-fitted! M.E.N.


Night all. Cx.

Hi Everyone

I typed out a message and posted it but it did not come up very strange.

Cynthia what a terrible dentst you have ,it's bad enough going to a Dentist anyway let alone having work done twice.
I hate the Dentist.

Sylvia your kitchen sounds wonderfull,I hope it all come together just the way you want it.

We are having some strange weather at present ,it is raining with strong winds.
Last week we had it hot so who knows want is going on.

I will be staying at the daus house for a week after wed night so I won't get to much time to spend on the computer.
They are off to bali for a week and they have a dog and cat for me to look after along with the house.

I will still be on just not at night.

Hubby will have to take care of himself.
Trying to get the washing and Ironing done today but the rain has stopped that.
Catch up tonigtht.
Suex

Cynthia - Chocolate day is Thursday now - also lots of handmade & painted biscuits - perfume & candles and wine suppliers (with a few samples hopefully) Should be a good hour or 2.

Really wet & horid here - who sent us this weather then.

I really do like ryvita - its the exercise i don't i got sooooooooooooooooo
bored & fed up - peddling away or prodding on the stepper.

Any one watch NEW TRICKS? My doctor has set me up with some new pills - beta Blockers - just made me think of the Indian restaurant episode- bit of a giggle.

Well i note Evelyn is getting on with her search for her mum.

I must away back tot he grindstone again - deep joy and doing overtime on Saturday - oh for a lottery win.

Hope you ahve a safe journey Sue - what breed of Dog & Cat - whats their names?

Take care all

Hi Everyone

Anne my Dau only lives about 5 klm away from me ,she has a turtle coloured cat don't know what breed it is and her dog is a maltesse cross Shitsue her name is Sammy and her cats name is Holly.

I hate cats myself but would love another dog,our 11yr old dog died about 5 yrs ago.
Will get one ....one day !.

I am watching the Commonwealth Games,anyone else.

Suex