Genealogy Chat

Just a very quick message - My father in law died this morning - so we are all feeling very strange. The in laws had been together 77 years & we are very worried about Mum now.

We are hoping that she will think about the new great grandchild due in March which will keep her healthy and wanting to continue - trouble is she wants to be with him now. She is feeling guilty about not having him at home with her, as he had to move to a nursing home last week. She thinks she broke her promise to him.

Tabitha ............

so sorry to hear your news. She must really be feeling lost after so many years married ....... that's an almost unbelievable length of time!

She has no need to feel she has broken her promise, but I know that it might be hard to convince her of that.

Take care xxxx

Hi Arthur

Hope you enjoyed your time away in Greece

You might be interested in the fact that GRO has digitised the birth and death index, with additions, and they are available to see for free on their site.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp

You have to register (or log in if you have previously registered) ....... that's in the box to the right.


The major changes to the ordinary Index that you see on Freebmd are that mother's maiden name is shown on all the records IF different from the child's surname ....... ie, it doesn't show for an illegitimate child.

Full names are shown instead of an initial for 2n or 3rd names

Ages are shown on death certificates ....... although they don't seem able to add "mnth" or "yr", so a child who died at the age of 6 months will be shown as having died at 6 ............... and "you" have to decide or work out whether that is 6 mnths or 6 yrs!


I'm just going to see if I can find the death that you mention for Henry Hill in 1894, and if the addition of the age helps.

Is this the death that you think is Henry sr?

HILL, HENRY 43
GRO Reference: 1894 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 6

Arthur

You'd better check George Hill's birth registration yourself ..... I cannot find a birth for a George Hill mmn Britten for 1896 +/- 2 years.

You would have a better idea of the Registration District.

Suggestions for how you are to proceed with George could be

check for his death between 1901 and 1911

check for him in a school or other institution



Remember that if a married woman had a child, her husband was always assumed to be the father unless the Registrar was notified otherwise ........... and that applies even if the husband has been dead for many years

There is also always the possibility that a mother has taken on a child born to one of her daughters.

This George is about the right age ............... how does born in Walthamstow fit with where yours was born? Any known connection with the Irons

Name: George Hill
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Nephew
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Walworth, London, England
Civil Parish: Walthamstow
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County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 88 Marten Rd, Walthamstow
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Apprentice
Registration district: West Ham
Registration District Number: 188
Sub-registration district: Walthamstow
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Household schedule number: 297
Piece: 9717

Arthur Irons 56
Hannah Irons 57
Percy Irons 19
Sidney Irons 17
Baden Irons 10
George Hill 16


For what it's worth ............ this is Baden Irons' birth registration, with mmn Poor kid!!!

IRONS, BADEN POWELL MAFEKING mmn ALDRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 434

Another George of the approximate age


Record Image View

Report issue

Name: George Hill
Age in 1911: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1895
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Monkton
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County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Monkton Hall Jarrow
Registration district: South Shields
Registration District Number: 556
Sub-registration district: Jarrow
ED, institution, or vessel: 41
Piece: 30389

An institution ...... a Home for Feeble Minded Boys

George is noted as feeble-minded from birth

If George had more than one name, this is also a possibility

1911 Census

Name: Albert William George Hill
Age in 1911: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1896
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil Parish: Hampstead
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County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: Field Lane Boys Certified Industrial School, Hillfield Road, West Hampstead N W
Occupation: SCHOOL PART TIME
Registration district: Hampstead


Many orphans were sent to such schools if a sibling was not willing or unable to take care of them

Sylvia

Many thanks for your info, especially about the GRO

Greece was a welcome break and even tho' we had less than seasonal weather, we were able to see all the plants we expected. We had gale force winds when it was almost impossible to stand up, monsoon rain at night and dense fog that cut visibility to no more than 5 metres.

Anne

Sorry to hear of your loss.

Thank you both for your kind words - i am sure things will settle down.

Hope you find your missing person Arthur - if anyone can Sylvia can .

Whilst I am not keen on Danny Dyer as a person, I thought that the WDYTYA programme was back to its best.

I am now looking forward to seeing the others.

I agree Arthur - it was good fun last night - hope it stays this way

Anne

I thought the Liz Bonnin story on WDYTYA last night was excellent.

Both lines of her family were deeply interesting and gave a fascinating insight into a dark period of Colonial history - British and French.

This series has got off to a really good start. I may not like the people selected -
Danny Dyer was OK, but I do not like Amanda Holden. Liz Bonnin's reactions were genuine.

More of the same please.

I just popped in to say


Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone xxxx


I don't think you will see me until the new year ...... we start our travels tomorrow

Happy Christmas - Safe Journey


Arthur fully agree

Not keen on the people on some of the shows but liked the stories.

Never really heard of Danny Dyer - thought he was good & the story & liked his approach

Dont like Amanda Holden - but liked her mum and the story was good.
Dont like Cheryl what ever her name is now - not sure if hers will be as interesting
Both of them think far too much of themselves & it always seems to be all about them & no one else

Never heard of Liz Bonnin - but it was interesting & learnt something too.


Greg Davies. - no idea who he is so giving him the benefit of the doubt

Sir Ian McLennan. - love him to bits - hope its a good one

Sophie Roworth - no idea who she is - will wait & see

Sunetra Sarker. I really like her & looking forward to the show

Ricky Tomlinson. I like him too & looking forward to his show too.

Warwick Davis - awful person so rude & crude - really not looking forward to an hour with him - but dont want to miss the show for the interest it may have - hopefully he wont come out with his smutty jokes & comments, like he did on Celebrity squares. It really put me off him.

All in all i hope this series is as good at the end as it was to start with.

Well Cheryl's was a game of 2 halves -

1st half very interesting -

I would love to know how you can visit an archive and they have family photos for you.

2nd half - understood the hunt for the 2nd "wife" bit and the query for secrecy but why go to France - its all been on the telly over the last couple of years & why ask such silly questions.

I love her accent - but she mumbles too much

Also realized she wasn't exactly the brightest person was she - if all the crew were lost at sea "oh I wonder what happened" errr the ship sank.

Also so surprised she didn't know what a Char lady was.

Happy New Year

Hope everyone is well & enjoyed Christmas

Heres to a prosperous & healthy New year for us all after a very gloomy 2017

Thanks Tabitha and a Happy New Year to you and all of the others, wherever they are.

Happy New Year everyone


We had a great time, both on our travels and with our family.