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In 1891, the woman says she was born in St Thomas.........as was the Holder girl, who married in 1856

But........you are very wise to get the birth cert.

There are 8 trees on Mundia.com
Some state Martha Holder.

Charles Edward Howes

Birth
1857 3 Mar (May have cert.)
Woodstock, Oxfordshire, England


6 source citations

Residence
1871 Age: 14
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Age: 14; Relation: Son


1 source citation

Marriage to Rebecca Clayton
1875 28 Mar Age: 18
General Baptist Chapel, Lenton, Nottingham



Residence
1881 Age: 24
Lenton, Nottinghamshire, England
Age: 24; Relation: Head; Condition as to marriage: Married


1 source citation

Residence
1901 Age: 44
Crayford, Kent, England
Age: 63; Relation: Head


1 source citation

Residence
1911 2 Apr Age: 54
Crayford, Kent, England
Age in 1911: 55; Marital Status: Widowed; Relation to Head: Head


1 source citation

Death
1920 Jul Age: 63
Nottingham
Burial St Paulinus Church Crayford Kent

Many thanks again.
I wish Martha could have made her mind up where she was born!!
I'm sure she was born in 1837 as her death in Dec 1915 stated she was 78.
Martha Holder-according to the 1851 census-was aged 12- born in 1839-I can understand if she was uncertain where she was born-her father was a boatman & the children seem to have been born wherever the barge was!
Ah well, It seems a birth cert is my only option
Thank you all for your efforts

The tree Thelma posted is probably on the Mundia site - maybe you could contact the owner.

Don't forget that age at death would have been to the best of knowledge of the person registering it! And a December 15th death 1915 for example aged 78 could have been born 16th Dec 1836-15th December 1837.

Also census enumerators took the year of the census and took away the age given ie 1851 -12 == 1839.
However the census was taken 30th March so the person could have been born
1st April 1838-30th March 1839

If you look at it bearing this in mind it can make quite a difference age/birth year wise