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My gt gt grandparents, John Howes & Martha Ann,married in March 1857 in Woodstock Oxfordshire. I am trying to find Martha's surname without any success.
The 1851 census states she was born in Wootton Oxfordshire.
Would someone be able to help please.
Many thanks

This is all i can find........


Marriages Mar 1857 (>99%)


Davis Anne Maria Woodstock 3a 681
Howes John Woodstock 3a 681
HUNT John Woodstock 3a 681
Tidmarsh Maria Woodstock 3a 681

Is this the marriage you refer to?

Civil Registration event: Marriage

Name: HOWES, John
Registration district: Woodstock
County: Oxfordshire
Year of registration: 1857
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 3A
Page no: 681
MarriageFinder: John Howes married one of the following people:

DAVIS, Anna Maria
DAVIS, Anne Maria
TIDMARSH, Maria
HUNT, John

Do you mean the 1871 census shows her to be born in Wootton, not finding them 1861 and in 1851 she wouldn't have had her married name-

Many thanks PricklyHolly--not the right one unfortunately-I wonder if the 1857 marriage was a different John Howes. Although their 1st child was born in 1858

Hi Stuart,
Yes she was born in Wootton according to the census. They had moved to Nottingham

Hi again

Sorry I meant the 1871 census ! Martha was born in 1837 in Wootton Oxfordshire
They were in Nottingham in 1871

1871 census transcription details for: Yard In Abbey Street, Lenton

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 3499
Folio: 19
Page: 32
Reg. District: Radford
Sub District: Lenton
Parish: Lenton
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Yard In Abbey Street, Lenton
County: Nottinghamshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
HOWES, John Head M 35 1836 Oxfordshire Wootton
HOWES, Martha Wife F 34 1837 Oxfordshire Wootton
HOWES, Charles Son M 14 1857 Oxfordshire Woodstock
HOWES, Hannah Daughter F 12 1859 Oxfordshire Wootton
HOWES, Emily Daughter F 10 1861 Oxfordshire Wootton
HOWES, John Son M 7 1864 Essex Chelmsford
HOWES, George Son M 3 1868 Oxfordshire Wooton


John's occupation is I think Leather ------?Dresser

How have you arrived at a marriage in March 1857 at Woodstock please?

Yes, this is the family. I can't track down Marth'a surname. I did find (many years ago on the IGI) a John Howes marrying a Martha Watts. It seems to have disappeared from that site & because another Howes descendant had researched the family & had added a Martha Holding, I thought I was wrong! But, Martha Holding was born in Drayton Oxfordshire-hence my search for the correct surname.

There is this entry......

Marriages Dec 1852 (>99%)
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Ayres Maria Potter Lewisham 1d 897
Ayres Martha Potter Lewisham 1d 897
HOWES John Lewisham 1d 897
ROBERTS Laura Lewisham 1d 897
Scratchley Henry Edward Lewisham 1d 897


But i can't spot a Martha Potter born Oxfordshire in the 1851 census.

I think you will have to purchase a copy of one of the childrens birth certs to find out her maiden name.

It might be that they didn't marry.........or she just preferred the name Martha.

Hi Stuart
I had found John Howes marriage on the IGI-being about the time their eldest son was born I thought it might be the right person but, without finding a Martha Ann married to a John Howes I can't be absolutely certain.

Hi PricklyHolly,

I didn't think that the mother's surname would be on the birth certs at that time

The mother's maiden name has been on birth certs since the GRO came into being in July 1837

Thanks for that Reggie I'll have to send for my gt grandmother's birth certificate

Did you say WATTS?

Marriages Dec 1860 (>99%)
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Charlott George Headington 3a 955 Scan available - click to viewAdditional information available - click on Info button
Howes John Headington 3a 955 Scan available - click to view
Newell Elizabeth Headington 3a 955 Scan available - click to viewAdditional information available - click on Info button
Watts Martha Headington 3a 955

How have you arrived at a marriage in March 1857 at Woodstock please? Was that the Martha Watts marriage you refer to?

1881 census, Martha says she was born in Oxford and 1891, St Thomas, Oxfordshire
in 1881 most of them are supposedly born in Woodstock, not Wootton - only the opposite side of Oxford by about 12 miles!
EDIT - apologies - 2 Woottons in Oxon, the other one is next door to Woodstock!

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Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)
Brooks Mary Ann Oxford 3a 621
Hern Mark Oxford 3a 621
Holder Martha Oxford 3a 621
HOWSE John Oxford 3a 621

1851 census


Person: HOLDER, Martha Address: Hythe Bridge Wharf, St Thomas, Oxford

HOLDER, Margerett Head Widow F 50 1801 Charwoman (British Subject)
Not Known, Ireland VIEW
HOLDER, James Son Unmarried M 27 1824 Boatman
Oxford, Oxfordshire VIEW
HOLDER, Sarah Daughter Unmarried F 19 1832 Genl Serv
Birming'm, Warwickshire VIEW
HOLDER, Emma Daughter F 10 1841 Scholar
Taddington VIEW
HOLDER, Martha Daughter F 12 1839 Scholar
Drayton, Oxfordshire VIEW
HOLDER, Charles Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Oxford, Oxfordshire VIEW
HOLDER, Robert Son M 7 1844 Scholar
Oxford, Oxfordshire VIEW
HOLDER, Edward Son M 14 1837 College Servant
Oxford, Oxfordshire VIEW
WORTH, Joseph Unmarried M 32 1819 Coal Lab
Oxford, Oxfordshire VIEW Piece: 1728 Folio: 407 Page: 20 Registration District: Oxford Civil Parish: St Thomas Municipal Borough: Oxford

Hannah's birth reg but before the 1860 Howes/Watts marriage:

Births Mar 1859 (>99%)
HOWES Hannah Woodstock 3a 608

Hello all

I guess it wasn't Martha Watts or Martha Holder-I think the best bet is for me to send for a birth certificate for one of the children Many thanks to you all for trying,

Maureen