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Frances
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15 Mar 2013 10:21 |
I have been sleuthing in the GR single line census again and hope I have found my Brooksbank family except there are too many potential parents to choose from! My starting point is :-
Marriages Dec 1876 CLAPHAM Jeremiah Bradford, Y. 9b 121
Brooksbank Mary Bradford Y. 9b 121
Births Mar 1851 Brooksbank Mary Bradford Y. 23 274
1861 Brooksbank Martin 1847 Thornton Bradford, Thornton Brooksbank Mary 1851 Thornton Bradford, Thornton Brooksbank Sarah Ann Fosted 1853 Thornton Bradford, Thornton Brooksbank Hannah 1856 Thornton Bradford, Thornton Brooksbank Colonel 1858 Thornton Bradford, Thornton Brooksbank Berino 1860 Thornton Bradford, Thornton
I think Sarah Ann Fosted 1853 should probably be William 1854 (if my memory is correct) Can anybody see the family in the 1861 census please?
Many thanks, Frances
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Jonesey
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15 Mar 2013 10:37 |
Full 1861 census records for reference:
Name: Sarah Ann Foster Brooksbank Age: 8 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Brooksbank Mother's name: Mary Brooksbank Gender: Female Where born: Thornton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Thornton Ecclesiastical parish: Denholme Gate County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Thornton ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 90 Piece: 3337 Folio: 40 Page Number: 18 Household Members: Name Age Charles Brooksbank 29 Mary Brooksbank 30 Sarah Ann Foster Brooksbank 8 Hannah Brooksbank 5 Colonel Brooksbank 3 Berino Brooksbank 1
Name: Martin Brooksbank Age: 14 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Brooksbank Mother's name: Hannah Brooksbank Gender: Male Where born: Thornton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Thornton Ecclesiastical parish: Denholme Gate County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Thornton ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 110 Piece: 3337 Folio: 42 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age John Brooksbank 55 Hannah Brooksbank 53 Betty Brooksbank 30 Harriett Brooksbank 19 Martin Brooksbank 14
Name: Mary Brooksbank Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Thornton, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Thornton Ecclesiastical parish: Denholme Gate County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Thornton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 161 Piece: 3337 Folio: 62 Page Number: 33 Household Members: Name Age Isaac Smith 70 Mary Smith 72 Mary Brooksbank 10
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15 Mar 2013 10:37 |
Name: Sarah Ann Foster Event Type: Census Event Date: 1871 Gender: Female Age: 18 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Thornton, Yorkshire Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Bradford Sub-District: Thornton Parish: Thornton County: Yorkshire (West Riding) Household Gender Age Birthplace Self Charles Brooksbank M 39 Thornton, Yorkshire Wife Mary Brooksbank F 40 Ovenden, Yorkshire Daughter Sarah Ann Foster F 18 Thornton, Yorkshire Daughter Hannah Brooksbank F 15 Thornton, Yorkshire Son Colonel Brooksbank M 12 Thornton, Yorkshire Daughter Alice Brooksbank F 8 Thornton, Yorkshire Son John Brooksbank M 5 Thornton, Yorkshire
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15 Mar 2013 10:40 |
Marriages Sep 1854 (>99%) Brooksbanks Charles Bradford Yorks 9b 167 FOSTER Mary Bradford Y 9b 167
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Frances
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15 Mar 2013 11:06 |
Thank you Jonesey and safc Oh dear! I seem to have set an unfortunate puzzle! My thinking they might be tha same family now looks very unlikely! There is another way of approaching it, if anybody can see the marriage:
Marriages Dec 1876 CLAPHAM Jeremiah Bradford, Y. 9b 121
Brooksbank Mary Bradford Y. 9b 121
with the bride's father listed?
From the 1911 census Mary is born 1851 and in 1881 (after marriage, so I have the right one, she gives Denholme as her place of birth - I do just love it when they keep changing their birth place!)
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Dea
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15 Mar 2013 11:12 |
Her father was James Brooksbank.
Can't get to the cert at the minute but I will come back with more info.
Dea x
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15 Mar 2013 11:13 |
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Jeremiah Clapham Name: Jeremiah Clapham Birth Year: abt 1855 Age: 21 Marriage or Bann Date: 18 Nov 1876 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name: William Clapham Spouse's Name: Mary Brooksbank Spouse's Father's Name: James Brooksbank He's 21, a wool sorter, his father William a farmer. She's 25, a worsted weaver, her father James, deceased, a butcher.
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Dea
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15 Mar 2013 11:14 |
Her address was 'Old Road Top' ??, Denholme and her father was a butcher (deceased). - spinster aged 25, Worsted weaver
His address - Denholme Lane, Denholme - Batchelor aged 21, wool sorter.
Witnesses John William Fielding and Hannah Maria Fielding.
Dea x
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15 Mar 2013 11:16 |
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Name: Mary Brooksbank Gender: Female Christening Date: 15 Apr 1855 Christening Place: HEMINGBROUGH,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: James Brooksbank Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10922-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 991067 Reference ID:
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Frances
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15 Mar 2013 11:23 |
Thank you Dea and Margee, unfortunately there is no Old Road Top listed in the current A-Z for Bradford. I wonder if I can find the Smith grandaughter connection.....
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Frances
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15 Mar 2013 11:29 |
Sorry safc but I think Hemingbrough is near Selby - well away from Bradford, Denholme
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Jonesey
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15 Mar 2013 11:35 |
This looks quite interesting to me but James is not a butcher but who knows:
1861: Name: James Brooksbank Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Brooksbank Gender: Male Where born: Denholme, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Thornton Ecclesiastical parish: Denholme Gate County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Thornton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 124 Piece: 3337 Folio: 58 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age James Brooksbank 32 Martha Brooksbank 39 James Smith 16 Elisabeth Smith 14 Joseph Smith 12 Reuben Smith 10 Mary Rebecca Smith 8 born Denholme, Yorkshire Emma Smith 6 Sarah Jane Brooksbank 10 Months
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15 Mar 2013 11:39 |
another link to the Smiths 1841 SMITH, Isaac M 50 1791 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Mary F 50 1791 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Betty F 25 1816 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Martha F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Sarah F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Edward M 19 1822 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Jonathan M 17 1824 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Leah F 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW BROOKSBANK, Mena F 0 (4 months) 1841 Yorkshire VIEW
Piece: 1297
Book/Folio: 7/41
Page: 5
Registration District: Bradford
Civil Parish: Bradford
Municipal Borough:
Address: New Road Side, Bradford, Thornton
County: Yorkshire refine search back to 1841 census search results
looks like maria on original
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Frances
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15 Mar 2013 11:40 |
You could be doing me out of a job Jonesey. I need to break off to check out the marriage of James and Martha - it looks very promising
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Jonesey
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15 Mar 2013 11:44 |
Name: James Brooksbank Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Registration district: Bradford Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 9b Page Number: 138 Spouse: Martha Smith
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15 Mar 2013 11:48 |
Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1841 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference BROOKSBANK Mena Thornton Bradford THORN/4/39
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Frances
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15 Mar 2013 11:59 |
Could this be listed under 'Intriguing'? I was looking for James getting married before the birth of Mary 1851 ....???
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15 Mar 2013 12:00 |
Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1861 Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference BROOKSBANK Barina - Thornton Bradford THORN/15/45
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Jonesey
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15 Mar 2013 12:03 |
The Martha Smith who married that James Brooksbank was born as Martha Sharp:
Name: Martha Smith Birth Year: abt 1822 Age: 37 Marriage or Bann Date: 5 Dec 1859 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name: James Sharp Spouse's Name: James Brooksbank Spouse's Father's Name: David Brooksbank
Her previous husband was an Abraham Smith.
Name: Martha Sharp Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1844 Registration district: Bradford Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 23 Page Number: 221
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Dea
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15 Mar 2013 12:38 |
With regard to the address of 'Old Road Top' which you couldn't find in Bradford.
I looked on 1881 and this is the family living there:
1881 Census transcription details for: Old Rd Top, Thornton
National Archive Reference: RG number RG11 Piece: 4469 Folio: 83 Page: 6 Reg. District: Bradford Sub District: Thornton Parish: Thornton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Old Rd Top, Thornton County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born WHALLEY, Thomas Head Widower M 40 1841 General Labourer Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 16 1865 Mill Hand In Worsted Factory Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Lucy Daughter Single F 13 1868 Mill Hand In Worsted Factory Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Janet Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Harry Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Denholme, Yorkshire LAWRENCE, Edward Head Widower M 62 1819 Coal Merchant Thurnham, Yorkshire
One of the wirnesses at the wedding (Jeremiah and Mary) was Hannah Maria Fielding and her maiden name was Whaley:
Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%) FIELDING John William Bradford Y 9b 111 Scan available - click to view Whaley Hannah Maria Bradford, Y. 9b 111 Scan available - click to view
So, this would be where Mary was staying before her wedding.
Doesn't really help us though but I found it so I'll post it ! ;-) :-D
Dea x
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