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16 Mar 2013 13:36 |
Hi Mary, Thank you for sorting me out with your most impressive gems of finds.
Based on the 1840 info I tried again with FreeBMD and asked it to look for wobblies :-
Marriages Dec 1840 Brookbank James Bradford 23 191
SMITH Sa___ Bradford 23 191
so it wasn't me that took the 's' out of Brooksbank or obliterated half of Sarah's name - lol
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16 Mar 2013 11:21 |
Witness to Jeremiah and Mary's wedding. Hannah Maria Whalley 1852 married John William Feilding. Parents of Hannah Maria were Matthew Whalley 1829 Denholme and Nanny nee Pickles born 1831 Denholme.
Nanny Pickles 1831 daughter of John Pickles 1787 and Hannah Brooksbank born 1789 Denholme.They were married 1807. Hannah Brooksbank baptised 18/7/1789 by David Brooksbank born 1749 of Denholme she was baptised at St Michaels Haworth.
Now Mary Brooksbank's family? David also baptised David Brooksbank at Haworth 3/3/1784 of Thornton/Denholme.(So David 1784 brother to hannah 1789)
David 1789 may have married 1807 in Bradford to Hannah Binns There was a Hannah Brooksbank of Lodge Gate Denholme died 20/4/1825. They baptised a David 20/4/1813. of Lodge Gate Denholme. At the moment can't find Baptism for James circa 1819-1821.
1841 James is not with wife Sarah(she is with dad Isaac Smith) daughter Menah Brooksbank 4 months (married Edward Foster 27/10/1860)Her dad down as James Brooksbank foundryman.
??1841 Horton Bradford D1 > 6 David Brooksbank 1786 beer seller James 1821 a Delver Edward 1821 Worsted Weaver.
The marriage of Sarah Smith and James brooksbank in 1840 is on Ancestry.co.uk as are the baptisms I have found.
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16 Mar 2013 09:41 |
Thank you Mary, this means that Mary's mother was James' sister, a Smith but I cannot find a marriage for her with James Brooksbank. The 1881 census gives Mary's place of birth as Denholme (after she was married so I know she is my Mary). I need to see if I can find James Smith's siblings. There does appear to be only one Mary 1851 in FreeBMD that could match so I will try and get the descendant to cough up (a friend of a friend who I don't know from Adam - Eve really)
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15 Mar 2013 14:56 |
1861 Isaac and mary Smith have G/Daughter mary Brooksbank age 10 worsted spinner
1871 Isaac Smith 1780 James Smith 1815 son mary brooksbank neice,so Jame's neice.
1851 James Brooksbank born halifax 1818( stone Delver) Sarah 1821 thornton/Denholme Armene 10 Mary 2
Sarah Smith daughter of Isaac Smith a (Weaver) married 18/10/1840 Bradford Cathederal to James Brooksbank residing in Denholme hid dad was David Brooksbank a BUTCHER. Witnessed by John Miller and David Rushby?
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15 Mar 2013 12:42 |
Thanks Jonesey, I don't think this is getting much clearer but it seems that my Mary Brooksbank 1851, father James, did not have grandparents Isaac and Mary Smith in 1861 unless they were just child minders referred to as granparents?
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Dea
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15 Mar 2013 12:38 |
With regard to the address of 'Old Road Top' which you couldn't find in Bradford.
I looked on 1881 and this is the family living there:
1881 Census transcription details for: Old Rd Top, Thornton
National Archive Reference: RG number RG11 Piece: 4469 Folio: 83 Page: 6 Reg. District: Bradford Sub District: Thornton Parish: Thornton Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Old Rd Top, Thornton County: Yorkshire (West riding) Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born WHALLEY, Thomas Head Widower M 40 1841 General Labourer Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Elizabeth Daughter Single F 16 1865 Mill Hand In Worsted Factory Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Lucy Daughter Single F 13 1868 Mill Hand In Worsted Factory Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Janet Daughter Single F 12 1869 Scholar Denholme, Yorkshire WHALLEY, Harry Son Single M 9 1872 Scholar Denholme, Yorkshire LAWRENCE, Edward Head Widower M 62 1819 Coal Merchant Thurnham, Yorkshire
One of the wirnesses at the wedding (Jeremiah and Mary) was Hannah Maria Fielding and her maiden name was Whaley:
Marriages Sep 1871 (>99%) FIELDING John William Bradford Y 9b 111 Scan available - click to view Whaley Hannah Maria Bradford, Y. 9b 111 Scan available - click to view
So, this would be where Mary was staying before her wedding.
Doesn't really help us though but I found it so I'll post it ! ;-) :-D
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15 Mar 2013 12:03 |
The Martha Smith who married that James Brooksbank was born as Martha Sharp:
Name: Martha Smith Birth Year: abt 1822 Age: 37 Marriage or Bann Date: 5 Dec 1859 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name: James Sharp Spouse's Name: James Brooksbank Spouse's Father's Name: David Brooksbank
Her previous husband was an Abraham Smith.
Name: Martha Sharp Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1844 Registration district: Bradford Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 23 Page Number: 221
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15 Mar 2013 12:00 |
Yorkshire Death indexes for the years: 1861 Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference BROOKSBANK Barina - Thornton Bradford THORN/15/45
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15 Mar 2013 11:59 |
Could this be listed under 'Intriguing'? I was looking for James getting married before the birth of Mary 1851 ....???
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15 Mar 2013 11:48 |
Yorkshire Birth indexes for the years: 1841 Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference BROOKSBANK Mena Thornton Bradford THORN/4/39
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15 Mar 2013 11:44 |
Name: James Brooksbank Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1859 Registration district: Bradford Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume Number: 9b Page Number: 138 Spouse: Martha Smith
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15 Mar 2013 11:40 |
You could be doing me out of a job Jonesey. I need to break off to check out the marriage of James and Martha - it looks very promising
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15 Mar 2013 11:39 |
another link to the Smiths 1841 SMITH, Isaac M 50 1791 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Mary F 50 1791 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Betty F 25 1816 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Martha F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Sarah F 20 1821 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Edward M 19 1822 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Jonathan M 17 1824 Yorkshire VIEW SMITH, Leah F 15 1826 Yorkshire VIEW BROOKSBANK, Mena F 0 (4 months) 1841 Yorkshire VIEW
Piece: 1297
Book/Folio: 7/41
Page: 5
Registration District: Bradford
Civil Parish: Bradford
Municipal Borough:
Address: New Road Side, Bradford, Thornton
County: Yorkshire refine search back to 1841 census search results
looks like maria on original
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15 Mar 2013 11:35 |
This looks quite interesting to me but James is not a butcher but who knows:
1861: Name: James Brooksbank Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Martha Brooksbank Gender: Male Where born: Denholme, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Thornton Ecclesiastical parish: Denholme Gate County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
View image Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Thornton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 124 Piece: 3337 Folio: 58 Page Number: 25 Household Members: Name Age James Brooksbank 32 Martha Brooksbank 39 James Smith 16 Elisabeth Smith 14 Joseph Smith 12 Reuben Smith 10 Mary Rebecca Smith 8 born Denholme, Yorkshire Emma Smith 6 Sarah Jane Brooksbank 10 Months
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15 Mar 2013 11:29 |
Sorry safc but I think Hemingbrough is near Selby - well away from Bradford, Denholme
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15 Mar 2013 11:23 |
Thank you Dea and Margee, unfortunately there is no Old Road Top listed in the current A-Z for Bradford. I wonder if I can find the Smith grandaughter connection.....
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15 Mar 2013 11:16 |
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Name: Mary Brooksbank Gender: Female Christening Date: 15 Apr 1855 Christening Place: HEMINGBROUGH,YORK,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: James Brooksbank Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elizabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10922-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 991067 Reference ID:
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15 Mar 2013 11:14 |
Her address was 'Old Road Top' ??, Denholme and her father was a butcher (deceased). - spinster aged 25, Worsted weaver
His address - Denholme Lane, Denholme - Batchelor aged 21, wool sorter.
Witnesses John William Fielding and Hannah Maria Fielding.
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15 Mar 2013 11:13 |
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Jeremiah Clapham Name: Jeremiah Clapham Birth Year: abt 1855 Age: 21 Marriage or Bann Date: 18 Nov 1876 Parish: Bradford, St Peter (Bradford Cathedral) Father's Name: William Clapham Spouse's Name: Mary Brooksbank Spouse's Father's Name: James Brooksbank He's 21, a wool sorter, his father William a farmer. She's 25, a worsted weaver, her father James, deceased, a butcher.
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Dea
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15 Mar 2013 11:12 |
Her father was James Brooksbank.
Can't get to the cert at the minute but I will come back with more info.
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