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Hello
We know that three family members - Norman Murray, William Murray and Amelia Murray (married name Newton) and her husband 'Jack' (John? William?) Newton and 6/7 year old son William emigrated from County Durham to the US in the 1920s. However we can't track them down on the Ellis Island site.
We believe they headed for Chicago, Ilinois and that Amelia finally moved to Florida, dying at a grand old age in 1999.Can anyone help?
Thank you
Sharon

Hi Sharon -- I don't pay for access to US records at Ancestry, but I can often trick it into telling me what I want.

These might be your people in the 1930 US census:


John Newton
wife: Amelia
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1896 England

William Newton
parents: John, Amelia
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1921
(place of birth given for head of house only)


As far as I can tell he's the only child.

If you post that info at the Records Office maybe, with a subject line indicating you'd like a US census lookup, someone should be able to give you the full info from the record.

Other possibilities:



Norman Murray
(spouse's name)
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1900
(birth location) (not England, apparently)

Norman Murray
father: William
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1926


William B Murray
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1866 England (a tad old?)

Hi Sharon,

Not sure if these are your family. On Findmypast.com there is an

NEWTON Amelia 26 F 1928 Liverpool USA New York

NEWTON William 7 M 1928 Liverpool USA New York

Several GR members are doing FMP lookups. They may be able to confirm if they travelled together.

Helen

Would you have dates of birth, please?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Norman Murray
Arrival Date: 17 Oct 1920
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Carmania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 14
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2854
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: east howle
Page Number: 22
Miner; last living in Durham; Brother R. Murray, 15 St. Johns Square, Bradford; Final Destination: Illinois, Ocello
Joining rellie or friend: friend, Mr. R. Taylor, Coello, Nr Christopher, Ill (Illinois)
Gave his height, eye and hair colour.

Other possibilities, but birthdates would help.

Here they are in 1930


1930 United States Federal Census
about William Newton
Name:William Newton
Home in 1930:Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1921
Relation to Head of House:Son
Father's Name:John
Mother's Name:Amelia
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:View Image
Neighbors:View others on page
Household Members:NameAge
John Newton 34
Amelia Newton 28
William Newton 9
Gordon Murry 27
William Murry 3

Looking at the image they emigrated in 1927, have saved it if you pm me your email address I will send it.

Christine

Thanks Christine! Those are the ones I posted, and you've given the details I don't have access to.


Did you /could you check these ones? --

Norman Murray
(spouse's name)
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1900
(birth location) (not England, apparently)

Norman Murray
father: William
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1926

William B Murray
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1866 England (a tad old?)


Or -- could Gordon Murray in the record you posted actually be Norman?

Here's hoping that Sharon checks her replies ...

Hi Kathryn,

The image definitely says Gordon and he is a boarder with the Newtons.

I will have a look for the others when I have a few mins spare.

Christine

The image shows William Murray is 37 on the census not 3.

Rose

Here are the years they immigrated to the US
John Newton 1925
Amelia Newton 1927
William Newton 1927
Gordon Murry 1929
William Murry 1913

Rose

Amelia and William

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Amelia Newton
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1927
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Carinthia
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4081
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: easthowle
Page Number: 28

Rose

Social Security Death Index
about Amelia Newton
Name: Amelia Newton
SSN: 345-10-5341
Last Residence: 33326 Fort Lauderdale, Broward, Florida, United States of America
Born: 3 Jan 1901
Died: 29 Jan 1999
State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois

Rose

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about John Newton
Name: John Newton
Arrival Date: 18 Feb 1925
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Lancastria
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3609
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Durham
Page Number: 140

Rose

Family in 1901 so Gordon was born after this:

1901 England Census
about Amelia Murray
Name: Amelia Murray
Age: 2 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Amelia
Gender: Female
Where born: East Howle, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Ferry Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: Ferry Hill St Luke
Town: East Howle Metal Bridge
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sedgefield
Sub-registration district: Cornforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Lydia Haglington 13
Amelia Murray 41
Amelia Murray 2 Mo
Ernest Murray 7
Herbert Murray 5
James D Murray 13
John T Murray 10
Norman Murray 2
Robert Murray 17
William Murray 45
William Murray 9

Rose

Births Dec 1902
MURRAY Gordon Sedgefield 10a 109

Rose

Rose,well spotted about the age of William, I hadn't noticed that.

Christine

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Gordon Murray
Arrival Date: 3 Dec 1929
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Antonia
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 23
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4639
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: ferryhill
Page Number: 149

Rose

Gordon's wife and son:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Susannah Murray
Name: Susannah Murray
Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1932
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Lancastria
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5132
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Sunnyside
Page Number: 111

Name: Thomas Gordon Murray
Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1932
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1922
Age: 10
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Lancastria
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 2
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5132
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: willington
Page Number: 111


Rose

Hello
Thanks for all the info, I've been ill so have only just got back to the thread. I'm pouring over it now!
Many thanks
Sharon
PS Particular thanks to Christine for the 1930 census info.