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Hello everyone

We've taken a look at all the information, many thanks for that, and pieced it together with what we already know. This has raised a few more questions, but it looks like it all fits!

We have the following emigrating to the USA.

Amelia Newton, nee Murray. Born 1901. Emigrated 1927/8 with her son, William Newton, born 1920. Amelia moved to Florida after her husband died, and lived to the age of 1999. One part of the family has a photo of her as a hat model.
John (Jack) Newton. Born 1898. Emigrated 1925/1929?
Lived in Chicago, Cook County, as shown in the 1930 US Census.

Does anyone know how we can find out exactly where they lived? (We don't expect it to be still standing, but would be good to know?) The microfiche says Western Avenue. I looked on Google Earth but it's a huge long road....

Norman Murray. Born 1899. Emigrated 1920. Next of kin fits, his elder brother, Robert Murray. But he doesn't appear on the US 1930 Census with the rest of the family. He's down as joining a relative in the US, a Mr R Taylor, Coello, Nr Christopher, Illinois. I've taken a look at the US 1930 Census, but there are several microfiches for Christopher.

If anyone has any ideas how I can track him down that would be wonderful. We think he may have been a coalminer.

Gordon Murray. Born 1903. Emigrated 1929. Shown on the 1930 US Census as a boarder with the Newtons.

William Murray. Born 1892. Emigrated 1913/1927? The US Census shows it as 1913? Shown on the 1930 US Census as a boarder with the Newtons.

I'd love to track down Norman in the US census, and to find out where the family moved to/got up to in later editions of the census.
We understand that one of the family became a senior member of the Masons, does anyone know how we can find out? We tried the Chicago lodge, but got no joy.

Many, many thanks for all your help to date, any additional info would be great.

Sharon

You're welcome Sharon

Christine

Hello
Thanks for all the info, I've been ill so have only just got back to the thread. I'm pouring over it now!
Many thanks
Sharon
PS Particular thanks to Christine for the 1930 census info.

Gordon's wife and son:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Susannah Murray
Name: Susannah Murray
Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1932
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1899
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Lancastria
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5132
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Sunnyside
Page Number: 111

Name: Thomas Gordon Murray
Arrival Date: 30 Mar 1932
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1922
Age: 10
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Lancastria
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 2
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_5132
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: willington
Page Number: 111


Rose

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Gordon Murray
Arrival Date: 3 Dec 1929
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1902
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Antonia
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 23
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4639
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: ferryhill
Page Number: 149

Rose

Rose,well spotted about the age of William, I hadn't noticed that.

Christine

Births Dec 1902
MURRAY Gordon Sedgefield 10a 109

Rose

Family in 1901 so Gordon was born after this:

1901 England Census
about Amelia Murray
Name: Amelia Murray
Age: 2 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Amelia
Gender: Female
Where born: East Howle, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Ferry Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: Ferry Hill St Luke
Town: East Howle Metal Bridge
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Sedgefield
Sub-registration district: Cornforth
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
Lydia Haglington 13
Amelia Murray 41
Amelia Murray 2 Mo
Ernest Murray 7
Herbert Murray 5
James D Murray 13
John T Murray 10
Norman Murray 2
Robert Murray 17
William Murray 45
William Murray 9

Rose

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about John Newton
Name: John Newton
Arrival Date: 18 Feb 1925
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Lancastria
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3609
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: Durham
Page Number: 140

Rose

Social Security Death Index
about Amelia Newton
Name: Amelia Newton
SSN: 345-10-5341
Last Residence: 33326 Fort Lauderdale, Broward, Florida, United States of America
Born: 3 Jan 1901
Died: 29 Jan 1999
State (Year) SSN issued: Illinois

Rose

Amelia and William

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Amelia Newton
Arrival Date: 27 Jun 1927
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1901
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Carinthia
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_4081
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: easthowle
Page Number: 28

Rose

Here are the years they immigrated to the US
John Newton 1925
Amelia Newton 1927
William Newton 1927
Gordon Murry 1929
William Murry 1913

Rose

The image shows William Murray is 37 on the census not 3.

Rose

Hi Kathryn,

The image definitely says Gordon and he is a boarder with the Newtons.

I will have a look for the others when I have a few mins spare.

Christine

Thanks Christine! Those are the ones I posted, and you've given the details I don't have access to.


Did you /could you check these ones? --

Norman Murray
(spouse's name)
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1900
(birth location) (not England, apparently)

Norman Murray
father: William
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1926

William B Murray
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1866 England (a tad old?)


Or -- could Gordon Murray in the record you posted actually be Norman?

Here's hoping that Sharon checks her replies ...

Here they are in 1930


1930 United States Federal Census
about William Newton
Name:William Newton
Home in 1930:Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1921
Relation to Head of House:Son
Father's Name:John
Mother's Name:Amelia
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:View Image
Neighbors:View others on page
Household Members:NameAge
John Newton 34
Amelia Newton 28
William Newton 9
Gordon Murry 27
William Murry 3

Looking at the image they emigrated in 1927, have saved it if you pm me your email address I will send it.

Christine

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Norman Murray
Arrival Date: 17 Oct 1920
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: English
Ship Name: Carmania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Nativity: England
Line: 14
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_2854
Birth Location: England
Birth Location Other: east howle
Page Number: 22
Miner; last living in Durham; Brother R. Murray, 15 St. Johns Square, Bradford; Final Destination: Illinois, Ocello
Joining rellie or friend: friend, Mr. R. Taylor, Coello, Nr Christopher, Ill (Illinois)
Gave his height, eye and hair colour.

Other possibilities, but birthdates would help.

Would you have dates of birth, please?

Hi Sharon,

Not sure if these are your family. On Findmypast.com there is an

NEWTON Amelia 26 F 1928 Liverpool USA New York

NEWTON William 7 M 1928 Liverpool USA New York

Several GR members are doing FMP lookups. They may be able to confirm if they travelled together.

Helen

Other possibilities:



Norman Murray
(spouse's name)
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1900
(birth location) (not England, apparently)

Norman Murray
father: William
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1926


William B Murray
Chicago, Cook, IL
abt 1866 England (a tad old?)