Genealogy Chat

Can anyone help me to find an ancestor. HAve tried loking on Ancestry but cant find him - where else can I look? The details I have are as follows: Benjamin Turner Living in Burgh by Sands (Cumberland) in 1867 Has a daughter called Margaret Turner Born 1846 who married Thomas Potts in 1867 (I have their marriage certificate which is how I know her fathers name) He may have had a son called Joseph and daughter called Betsey as these are the names of the witnesses to the marriage. Anyone help? Christina

You say you have looked on Ancestry. Have you looked anywhere else? Suggestions. Father's marriage roundabout 1845?

I have tried ancestry but just wondering if you could tell others sites worth trying. I also tried Familyrelatives site but no luck there. Christina

Where were Margaret and Thomas married???

1871 has at Boustead Hill (very close to Burgh) Ann TURNER (wid) 71 Stanwix Elizabeth 30 Laundress, Burgh 1861 Bousteadhill Ann TURNER (wid) 62 Farm lab, Cargo Joseph 33 Railway Lab, Bousteadhill Margaret 22 FarmLab, Bousteadhill Elizabeth (Betsey) 20 is a servant in Rickergate.

Have you got Margarets Birth cert? Where was she born?

Here are the children from IGI if you need them (all kids of Ben and Ann) 1. ELIZABETH TURNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 28 FEB 1841 Burgh By Sands, Cumberland, England 2. MARTHA TURNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 01 NOV 1829 Burgh By Sands, Cumberland, England 3. MARGARET TURNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 13 AUG 1838 Burgh By Sands, Cumberland, England 4. BENJAMIN TURNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 10 JAN 1836 Burgh By Sands, Cumberland, England 5. JOSEPH TURNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 OCT 1825 Burgh By Sands, Cumberland, England 6. JANE TURNER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 12 JAN 1834 Burgh By Sands, Cumberland, England

I havent got Maragret's birth certifcate - but I have got her marriage certificate, They were married at Carlisle Register Office. Fathers name on the marriage certificate is Joseph Turner - but it does not say deceased. So could this be the husband of Ann -widow? I would have thought it would state deceased on marriage certificate? Christina

A death Deaths Jun 1844 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Turner Benjamin Carlisle 25 29 It would only say 'deceased' if the information was offered.

But Geoff, That is not Margaret born 1846. I think her birth cert is a necessity.

Christina is Margaret's father called Benjamin or Joseph, only you say Benjamin in your request then Joseph above! Lib

Thanks for all the info - its great. I am bit confused though - on Margaret's marriage certificate she is 21 yrs old (i.e. born in1846) On the 1871 census she is 33 years old ( i.e born in 1838 - which ties in with IGI). Would she have lied about her age on marriage certificate as she married a 22 yr old? Also could you tell me the website for IGI - it may help me find other rellies I am looking for Many thanks to you all Christina

Lib - sorry I am getting carried away with excitement! Her father was Benjamin Christina

Maybe you need to confirm her age with the next census? The IGI is on the LDS Site. Family Search (.) com

So Going of Geoffs info, is this them in 1861: Ann is a widow! Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Ann Turner abt 1799 Cargo, Cumberland, England Head Boustead Hill Cumberland Joseph Turner abt 1828 Boutheadhill, Cumberland, England Son Boustead Hill Cumberland Margaret Turner abt 1839 Boutheadhill, Cumberland, England Daughter Boustead Hill Cumberland RG9/3923 Registration district: Carlisle Sub-registration district: Burgh ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 48 Page: 32 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 150 GSU Number: 543207 Just realised Geoff has already posted this! --------------------------------------------------------- This looks like Margarets birth ref, might be good idea to get the cert: Name: Turner, Margaret Record Type: Births Quarter: June Year: 1838 District: Carlisle County: Cumbria Cumberland Volume: 25 Page: 52 ------------------------------------------------- oh heck, theres this one too! Could blow Geoffs theory! Name: Turner, Margaret Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1846 District: Carlisle County: Cumbria Cumberland Volume: 25 Page: 74 (click to see others on page

Well - just to confuse matters further - I have just checked on FREEBMD and there is a birth recorded in Carlisle for Margaret Turner in 1838 AND 1846!! I think I will need to order the birth certificates to see which one I amlooking for!! Things are never straight forward are they!! Christina

Going by the marriage certificate - Geoffs info sounds to be correct as Margaret's residence was Boustead Hill. Cant be certain until I get copies of birth certs though!! Off topic - when ordering birth certs how far back do they go - e.g. can you get them for early 1800's Christina P.S thanks for all your help - you are all wonderful people

Christine Theres also this death ref for Benjamin, although in Penrith not Carlisle! Turner, Benjamin Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 59 Quarter: December Year: 1866 District: Penrith County: Cumbria Cumberland Volume: 10b Page: 264

you can only get certs starting from the year 1837 and I think it starts July of that year, its parish records before that! Lib

Lib - last question (honest!!) how would I trace them through parish records - would I have to go the church itself or are the records online? Christina