Genealogy Chat

In other trees it seems some of the family went to live in Oz so perhaps Chrissy is there?

I think on the marriage Mel posted James Ackers is 'Gent'n'...Gentleman?

Rose I just could'nt make it out and I tried to find him on a census with no luck.

Name: William Ackers

Born 28 Nov 1822************
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1822
Father's name: James Ackers GROCER
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ackers
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address High St Bloomsbury

Siblings of William 1822.

Name: Ann Ackers
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 5 May 1824
Father's name: James Ackers Grocer**
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ackers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Christ Church
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address Waterloo St.


Name: Elizabeth Ackers
Born 7 Dec 1825
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 Jan 1826
Father's name: James Ackers Grocer
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ackers
Parish or Poor Law Union: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address Somerset St Whitechapel



Name: James Ackers
Born 12 May 1830
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 2 Jun 1830
Father's name: James Ackers
Mother's name: Elizabeth Ackers
Parish or Poor Law Union: St Botolph, Aldgate
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address 3 Phil's Buildings

Name: James Ackers
Spouse: Elizabeth Gamble
Record Type: Banns
Event Date: 9 Jul 1821
Parish: St Mary Le Bow
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses Edward Gamble and Esther Burgin.

One tree on Ancestry has paintings of a lot of this family.

Welcome to the Community boards Chrissy.



(I will let Chrissy know how to find her replies) :-)

PM from Chrissy, giving me access to her tree. She appears not to know any more than already stated - the Treimel marriage is correct. Anton Treimel is her direct ancestor - she apparently only knows that Kathleen married him, but has no other details about her.
She lists 5 children, all supposedly born in Oxford.
However, from FreeBMD I can see an older one, whom she hasn't got on her tree, plus two of the three eldest of the 5 she lists - but no sign of the births of the younger two, although she says they were born in Oxford.

Perhaps the family did leave the UK, in which case it would have been after 1910, the date of the last birth I can see -
Births Jun 1910 (>99%)
TREIM_L Stanley George Oxford 3a 1103

The two younger ones, whose births I can't find on FreeBMD, were
Malcolm c1912 - c1960 and Clem (male) c1915 -1970.
They were not born in Oxford, as she claims, and no place of death is given for either.

I have asked Chrissy to reply on here, rather than to me, so that all helpers can see.

The deaths for Anton and Catherine, posted on page 1 by Jacqueline, must be correct, so if they did go to Australia, they came back later.

John, Irene, and Stanley are the children whose births I've found. Can't find Leslie, as on Chrissy's tree, and also the 1911 census posted by Mel.
I suspect Chrissy has taken all the family details for her tree from the 1911 census, without checking accuracy.

EDIT:
Actually, I now realise that the John I found is Leslie, as he's born 1903, and his name is John Anton L Treimel.

Christine

Post your feedback on here.....please.

There isn't much doubt that the info relates to the woman's family.........have you read it all, carefully?

Everything for TREIMEL from freebmd

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
Treimel Anton Headington 3a 1831


Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
Treimel John Anton L Oxford 3a 1071


Births Jun 1906 (>99%)
Treimel Irene Kathleen M Oxford 3a 1081




Marriages Mar 1925 (>99%)
Treimel Irene K M Andrew Headington 3a 1435 (FIRST marriage - death posted some time ago)


Marriages Dec 1926 (>99%)
Bush Katherine B Treimel Salisbury 5a 418
Treimel John A L Bush Salisbury 5a 418


Births Jun 1928 (>99%)
Treimel Peter L Bush Salisbury 5a 248


Deaths Jun 1938 (>99%)
Treimel John A L 34 Oxford 3a 1400


Deaths Mar 1940 (>99%)
Treimel Anton 64 Oxford 3a 3503

Marriages Sep 1953 (>99%)

HAWKE Lily E M TREIMEL Ploughley 6b 2407
TREIMEL Stanley G HAWKE Ploughley 6b 2407


Deaths Jun 1973 (>99%)
TREIMEL LILY ELIZA M 15SE1899 ST.ALBANS 4B 589

There are NO emigration records for the name TREIMEL on FMP

TREIMEL KATHERINE BESSIE 1904 1986 1986 Deaths & burials Oxford, Oxfordshire, England

yet again thank you so much for the info really useful .Anton Tremil was born in Sharding Austria. definitely as he had to go to the isle of man, in the war...
really interesting all this stuff... thank you Regards Chrissy
:-)

I have been reading through the above post ...malcolm .Clem maybe they where uncles through stanley.Lesley.I am going on what my Mother has told me....she is 83 so only just started to talk about all this.there is a few skeletons in the family cupboard !!
regards Chrissy

thank you so much :-)

Nothing to do with Kathleen Ackers, but just for interest (mainly my own, I expect!) - maybe a Treimel relative??
Born in Schardenberg, which is in the district of Scharding.

Joseph Treimel

in the New York, Naturalization Records, 1882-1944
Name: Joseph Treimel
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1863
Birth Place: Austria (Schardenberg)
Arrival Year: 1893
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Event Date: 18 Aug 1925
Event Place: New York, USA
Court: Southern District, New York
Children: Anna, Agnes, Joseph, Louis (all born NY)
Occupation: waiter
Widower.


J Tremel
in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: J Tremel
Gender: Male
Departure Date: 28 Jan 1893
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Servia
Master: Captain Dutton


Joseph Treimel
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Joseph Treimel
Arrival Date: 7 Feb 1893
Birth Date: abt 1865
Age: 28
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Servia
Married; travelling alone, no occupation.


Joseph Treemel
in the 1910 United States Federal Census

Name: Joseph Treemel
[Joseph Trumel]
Age in 1910: 45
Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Austria
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 22, New York, New York
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Maria Trumel
Father's Birthplace: Austria
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Treemel 45
Maria Trumel 40 - born Austria
Anna Trumel 3
Agnes Trumel 0
[8/12]



Joseph Treimel
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Joseph Treimel
[Joseph Vreimel]
[Joseph Friemel]
Age: 56
Birth Year: abt 1864
Birthplace: Austria
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 5, New York, New York
Street: West 50 St
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1893
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
[Widow]
Father's Birthplace: Austria
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Native Tongue: German
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Steward
Industry: Hotel
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Treimel 56

(Living alone)



Joseph E Treimal
in the 1930 United States Federal Census
Name: Joseph E Treimal
[Joseph E Treiomal]
Birth Year: abt 1863
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Austria
Marital Status: Widowed
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1930: Bronx, Bronx, New York
Map of Home: View Map
Street address: 1050 Anderson Avenue
Ward of City: Tract 189
Block: K
House Number in Cities or Towns: 20
Dwelling Number: 114
Family Number: 1005
Home Owned or Rented: Rented
Home Value: 65
Radio Set: Yes
Lives on Farm: No
Attended School: No
Able to Read and Write: Yes
Father's Birthplace: Austria
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Language Spoken: German
Immigration Year: 1880 - wrong, should be 1893
Naturalization: Naturalized
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Chef
Industry: Bank?? Clerk - (No - this is Bankers' Club, which was on the 34th floor of 120 Broadway)
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker
Employment: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph E Treimal 67
Ann Treimal 23 - secretary to concert manager
Agnes Treimal 20 - stenographer
Joseph Treimal 18 - stock clerk at a newspaper
Louis Treimal 14
Rose J Treimal 21 - daughter, born NY - stenographer in law office. Can't see her in any other record.


Possibly son Louis in 1920, in New York Foundling Hospital:

Louis Tremel
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Louis Tremel
[Louis Tranel]
Age: 3
[3 9/12]
[3 8/12??]
Birth Year: abt 1917
[abt 1916]
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 15, New York, New York
Street: East 68 Street
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Austria
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Louis Tremel 3
[3 9/12]
[3 8/12??]



Anna and Agnes in 1920, in a children's home:

Agnes Treimel
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Agnes Treimel
[Agnes Freimal]
Age: 10
Birth Year: abt 1910
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Cortlandt, Westchester, New York
Street: St. Joseph's Home- South Street
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Austria
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Able to Speak English: Yes
Attended School: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Treimel 12
Agnes Treimel 10
(And lots of other children)


Son Joseph in same home:

Joseph Treimel
in the 1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Joseph Treimel
Age: 8
Birth Year: abt 1912
Birthplace: New York
Home in 1920: Cortlandt, Westchester, New York
Street: St. Joseph's Home - South Street
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace: Austria
Mother's Birthplace: Austria
Attended School: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Treimel 8



Joseph senior's death??

Joseph Treimel
in the New York, New York, Death Index, 1862-1948
Name: Joseph Treimel
Birth Year: abt 1860
Age: 72
Death Date: 14 Nov 1932
Death Place: Bronx, New York, USA
Certificate Number: 9237


Maybe son Louis's death??
Louis J Treimel

in the U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006
Name: Louis J Treimel
Service Info.: AMM1 US NAVY WORLD WAR II
Birth Date: 1 May 1916
Death Date: 21 Nov 1990
Service Start Date: 1 May 1941
Interment Date: 23 Nov 1990
Cemetery: Indiantown Gap National Cemetery
Cemetery Address: Rr2, Box 484 Indiantown Gap Road Annville, PA 17003-9618
Buried At: Section 9-B Site 322

Anton's in Kelly's


Name: Anton Treimel
Street address: 50 Walton cres St Thomas' Oxford
Publication Title: 1939 Kelly's Directory
County: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Publication Year: 1939********

OMG as they say just read all this info wow!!! very likely they are relatives thankyou so much my quest gets wider wider ...
really appreciate all your research.
Chrissy

I really appreciate all the info.. next step is Catherine Akers 1857 Harry's wife 1855..
Thank you in advance
Chrissy