Genealogy Chat

Sometimes marriage certs. state the father is dead and sometimes they don't.

Rose

Ozi,

Thank you for that. Wouldn't Willaims MC state Father deceased if he were dead? As his MC doesn't say that his Dad is dead.......but where was he on the 1911 census? Someone had suggested debtors prison as a possibility....but when I've looked at 1911 census I haven't been able to find conclusive evidence of his whereabouts!

Caroline.

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Deaths Sep 1904
CHANDLER Henry 40 Shoreditch 1c 73

Mistakes can be made about age.

Rose,

Very true, mistakes easily happen, and poor handwriting wouldn't help either. Strike yajy last bit, I just guessed she died in the census year, as I don't have any freebmd ref in her notes. Unless I forgot to write it down.
Caroline.

Rose,

My great grandad is down as head of the household, and all his brothers were listed as his sons! one being older than himself! Lol!

So I don't know where his Dad was, as when my Great Grandad William married in 1913 his Dads name appears on the MC.
Caroline.

Did Sarah died right before the census?

Deaths Mar 1911
Chandler Sarah 55 Shoreditch 1c 58

Rose

There is so much room for error on the census. The census schedule was either filled in by the household or the enumerator and then copied into the books we can view. You can see how mistakes could creep in.

Rose

How many children does it say they had in 1911 and who long have they been married?

Rose

Again, that would make sense, but that is one hell of a mistake on the census, whether the family error or the enumerator? As I couldn't find him in 1901 but can in 1911. I thought Emmie may have been a pet version of Emma. So there you are, I've learnt something else! As my great grandad wrote on the 1911 census that there were nine children born to his parents. But neither of them appear on that census. I think I have a death for Sarah but not Henry snr.

Caroline.

Hi Rose,

That makes perfect sense! I couldn't find Henry, William, Ann or Richard as Chandlers. But now the connection has been made it appears to be slotting into place nicely!
Thanks again to your persistance.
Caroline.

Emmie in 1901 must be James.

Rose

Here are some of the births:

Births Dec 1881
YORK Henry Bethnal Green 1c 29_

Births Dec 1883
YORK Ann Bethnal Green 1c 184

Births Sep 1888
YORK Mary Bethnal Green 1c 147

Births Jun 1891
York Richard Bethnal Green 1c 160

Births Jun 1893
York Thomas Bethnal Green 1c 151

Births Dec 1895
Chandler Charles Bethnal G. 1c 137

Births Jun 1898
Chandler James Bethnal G. 1c 136

Births Mar 1901
Chandler Eliza Shoreditch 1c 106

Rose

Ozi,

The names on the certs that I have the fathers were Samuel on one, John on another, no name on two! Cant recall the other one at mo. But the mothers were Marys or Janes etc.

Caroline.

Hello Rose,

Is that on the 1881 census? I dont think I've had that much luck finding Henry either....!

Caroline.

Does that mean the BC you have for William born Bethnal Green does not have Henry and Sarah as parents?

Ozi

Ozi,

Indeed they were hard times for many families. I believe that in 1901 they were one step away from the workhouse. Or so it was put to me when I happened to mention it to someone at work.
Caroline

Can't seem to see Henry or Sarah in 1881.

It could be that one or both were married before and York might not be Sarah's maiden name.

Rose

Hi Ozi,

Thank you for looking that up for me, I have managed to track him down through all the census years from 1891 - 1911, that is how I found out all his siblings names. Which came as quite a shock I can tell you! As I said previously, my Dad thought he only had one uncle!

Best wishes Caroline.

1891 England Census
Name: William Chandler
Age: 5
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England
Civil parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillips
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Newcastle St

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Chandler 32 - General Carman <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Sarah Chandler 32
Henry Chandler 9
Ann Chandler 7
William Chandler 5
Mary Chandler 2

In 1901 Henry is a Scavenger on Vestry. Harry (Henry jnr) is a capsule maker. Hard times indeed!

Hi Ozi,

Thank you for replying. I'm pretty sure that I have that BC in my folder (I have at least 5 that weren't him!), and it's one I discounted. As none of it matched to what I already had.

Best wishes Caroline.