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Trying to find parents of Sarah Holden who married Thomas Carr c1876 in Barrow-in-Furness area.Any siblings/DOB/POB for Sarah.All I have is her name.She married my gggrandfather.They lived in Barrow-in-Furness.1881-Thwaite Street,1884-Arthur Street,1891 7 1901 also Arthur Street.Then Marsh Street.

Thomas used the surname McCaffery-changed name to Carr 1880 after birth of son Thomas McCaffery
.I have now obtained the marriage certificate.Sarahs father is named as PATRICK HOLDEN (deceased)
Can't find anything really on Patrick,Sarah or her mother.

http://www.cumbriabmd.org.uk/

(not seeing anything on above, Births for your Marriage (just using Holden for Mother Maiden name, no Surname)

Chris :)

For reference:

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
10, Thwaite Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England

Thomas Carr Head Married Male 26 1855 Brewery Labr Lancashire, England
Sarah Carr Wife Married Female 24 1857 - Millom, Cumberland, England
John Carr Son Single Male 4 1877 - Lancashire, England
Ann Carr Daughter Single Female 2 1879 - Lancashire, England
Thomas Carr Son Single Male 0 1881 - Lancashire, England
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1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Robert Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England

Thomas Carr Head Married Male 29 1862 Brewery Fireman Ireland
Sarah Carr Wife Married Female 29 1862 - Whitehaven, Cumberland, England
John Carr Son Single Male 14 1877 Drapers Errand Boy Barrow, England
Annie Carr Daughter - Female 12 1879 Scholar Barrow, England
Thomas Carr Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Barrow, England
Sarah Jane Carr Daughter - Female 8 1883 Scholar Barrow, England
Elizabeth Carr Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Barrow, England
Margaret Carr Daughter - Female 1 1890 - Barrow, England
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
77, Arthur Street, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England

Thomas Carr Head Married Male 45 1856 Labourer General Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Sarah Carr Wife Married Female 45 1856 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire,
John Carr Son Single Male 23 1878 Blacksmith Barrow in Furness, Lancashire,
Sarah J Carr Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Lizzie Carr Daughter - Female 16 1885 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire,
Margaret Carr Daughter - Female 11 1890 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire
Mary A Carey Boarder Married Female 62 1839 - Ireland
Isabella Cay Boarder Single Female 18 1883 - Barrow in Furness, Lancashire,

MCAFFREY, JOHN Mother's maiden name: HOLDON
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in BARROW IN FURNESS Volume 08E Page 863

Do you have Sarah's address from the marriage cert?

Interestingly there is a marriage for a Patrick Holden in Whitehaven (the birthplace Sarah gives in 1891), although not seeing a connection yet:

Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%)
Holden Patrick Whitehaven 10b 614
Kay William Whitehaven 10b 614
McDonald Ann Whitehaven 10b 614
Nicholson Elizabeth Whitehaven 10b 614

Could either of these be the connection - born before they were married?


Births Mar 1857 (>99%)

McDonald Sarah Whitehaven 10b 495 Scan available - click to view

Births Dec 1856 (>99%)

Nicholson Sarah Whitehaven 10b 473 Scan available - click to view

Just can't find them on the census to see who Patrick married

Added: forget this both are showing with different mmn on gro index.

This looks a likely marriage for Patrick??

Marriages Sep 1857 (>99%) ???????????
Holden Patrick Whitehaven 10b 614 Scan available - click to view
Kay William Whitehaven 10b 614 Scan available - click to view
McDonald Ann Whitehaven 10b 614 Scan available - click to view
Nicholson Elizabeth Whitehaven 10b 614 Scan available - click to view


And a birth for Sarah before they married?

NICHOLSON, SARAH ANN NICHOLSON Order
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in BOOTLE, CUMBERLAND 572 Volume 10B Page 507

Bootle Reg district covers Millom !

Dea x

(can see below)

Chris :)

08 August 1857 - Carlisle Patriot - Carlisle, Cumbria, England

Marriage
July 29th, at the Registrar's Office. Whitehaven, Mr. Patrick Holden, of Cleator Moor, to Miss Ann Mc.Donald, of Egremont;


03 June 1858 - Whitehaven News - Whitehaven, Cumbria, England

Patrick Holden, was charged with being drunk, and was fined 5s. and costs.


Edits (also another Marriage notice, gives Patrick Holden, iron ore miner)

Dea, that birth is a year after the marriage?

Paul, could you post further details from the marriage cert - father's occupations, addresses, witnesses, where married?

is this the daughter

MARGARET
Last name CARR
Birth year 1889
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name -
District BARROW IN FURNESS
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 835
Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription

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First name(s) MARGARET
Last name CARR
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1918
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ MARGARET CARR married
GEORGE MCCARTNEY
Spouse's last name MCCARTNEY
District BARROW IN FURNESS
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8E
Page 1338
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
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Subcategory Marriages & divorces
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Margaret McCartney

in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Margaret McCartney
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Sep 1964
Age at Death: 74
Registration district: Barrow-in-Furness
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 154

birth cert will give parents names

Sorry - had to rush off to do lunch !!

Possibly the right marriage then but probably the wrong wife !

This could be the Patrick who is an iron ore miner?


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
142, Forge Row, Long Benton, Tynemouth, Northumberland, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Campbell Head Married Male 49 1802 Weigher Of Iron Scotland
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Catherine Campbell Wife Married Female 42 1809 - Scotland
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Malcom Campbell Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 Puddler Iron Scotland
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Neil Campbell Son Unmarried Male 11 1840 Scholar Walker, Northumberland, England
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Maryann Campbell Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Walker, Northumberland, England
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Patrick Holdon Lodger Unmarried Male 30 1821 Labourer Iron Works Ireland
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Kenneth McInnes Lodger Unmarried Male 31 1820 Labourer Chemical Works Scotland

Dea x

The birth Maddie has posted for Margaret has a mmn of Holding, so another variation on the surname.

All the children (apart from Mary Ann who died) appear to have married in Barrow, so where are the deaths for the parents?

Not seeing the mmn Holding? Holden on the GRO index:

CARR, MARGARET HOLDEN Order
GRO Reference: 1889 D Quarter in BARROW-IN-FURNESS Volume 08E Page 835


Possible death for Sarah:

First name(s) SARAH
Last name CARR
Gender Female
Birth year 1862
Age 46
Death quarter 4
Death year 1908
District BARROW IN FURNESS
County Lancashire
Volume 8E Page 560

Sorry, was Elizabeth (1884) that gave mmn Holding on Cumbria bmd

WOW guys,thank you for all your help.I'm at work at present,bujt will have a good look when I get home & give everyone an update.CHEERS.

Potty-I remember Sarahs address from the marriage certificate-it was 7,Carlisle Street,Barrow-in-Furness.Thomas's was 4,William Street,Barrow-in-Furness

They married in St.Marys Church (Catholic),Duke Street,Barrow-in-Furness.

Maddie-Margaret is their daughter,born 1889.

Austin-Elizabeth is definitely correct<Margaret is definitely correct too.Sarahs death is also correct.