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I'd actually forgotten what a nightmare this family was. I hadn't researched it much for a few years and now I know why! As I said earlier in this thread, we have just moved house so only have my computer notes to go on. Reading through this thread I'm thinking I need to take a couple of steps back.
There are an awful lot of Naylors in the St. Helens and surrounding area and there are a lot with same name, similar birth years, which makes it very difficult.
I know that Joseph, born 1820, is my direct line and it's from his marriage certificate that I got his father as John.
In 1841 & 1851 census his brothers James and Peers were living with mom Margaret at Ravenhead Glass Works Lodge.
In 1871 Peers is with his sister Margaret and niece Alice.
In 1881 he's with his sister Margaret and niece Jane.
Peers never married and neither did Margaret.
From memory I know I explored other branches of the family and no doubt have notes on Alice and Jane, but nothing on my computer.
A number of years ago I visited the UK and the cemetery where some of the Naylors are buried. I was very limited on time and only managed to see a few of them but one I did take a picture of was for a James died 3 May 1878 age 54 and Margaret 5 June 1899 age 77. I think James was married to Margaret Norris.
As to Henry, maybe I'm guilty of taking the word of the contacts I had in the UK - something I know should definitely not be done.
So, until my notes surface I think I'm going to have to do some more digging on this.

Looks llike Benjamin may have emigrated to Canada - but the details of parents and siblings have been added by a Findagrave contributor, so may not be correct :

Banjamin Naylor
in the Global, Find a Grave Index for Burials at Sea and other Select Burial Locations, 1300s-Current
Name: Banjamin Naylor
Gender: M (Male)
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1817
Birth Place: Lancashire, England
Death Date: 1878
Death Place: East Wawanosh Township, Huron County, Ontario, Canada
Has Bio?: N
Father: John Naylor <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother: Margaret Naylor <<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Mary Naylor
Children:
William Benjamin Naylor
James Naylor
Joshua Naylor
Andrew Naylor
Ambrose Naylor
Nancy Maria Naylor
David H. Naylor



Benjamin Naylar
in the 1871 Census of Canada
Name: Benjamin Naylar
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Widowed: M
Origin: English
Age: 54
Birth Date: 1817
Birth Place: England
Residence Place: Wawanosh East, Huron North, Ontario
District Number: 26
Subdistrict: d
Division: 02
Religion: Weslyan Methodist
Occupation: Farmer
Family Number: 123
Neighbors:
Household Members Age
Benjamin Naylar 54
Mary Naylar 52
William Naylar 16
David Naylar 11
John Naylar 7


The Findagrave contributor claims that Margaret's maiden name was Waterhouse.
Born 1775 in Blackburn; died England c1820.

The contributor also claims that John was born in Lancashire in 1766, and died c1820.

That couple are in multiple trees on Ancestry, but the only child listed with them is Benjamin - because the trees belong to descendants of Benjamin.
Most have copied from each other as usual.

John and Margaret had a son Benjamin, who was born in 1817.

Benjamin Nailor
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Benjamin Nailor
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1817
Baptism Date: 26 Oct 1817
Parish: Prescot, St Helens, Lancashire, England
Father: John Nailor [ glassmaker ]
Mother: Margarat Nailor
Register Type: Parish Registers


Possible other children - unless there's another couple named John and Margaret Naylor/Nailor in that area::


Martha Naylor
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Martha Naylor
Baptism Date: 25 Jun 1815
Parish: St Helen's, Lancashire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: John Naylor [ labourer ]
Mother: Margrit Naylor
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts


Joseph Nailor
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Joseph Nailor
Birth Date: 27 Jan 1820
Baptism Date: 27 Feb 1820
Parish: Prescot, St Helens, Lancashire, England
Father: John Nailor [ labourer ]
Mother: Margarat Nailor
Register Type: Parish Registers


John Nailor
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: John Nailor
Baptism Date: 14 Mar 1813
Parish: Prescot, St Helens, Lancashire, England
Father: John Nailor [ labourer ]
Mother: Margaret Nailor
Register Type: Parish Registers


That's the John whose occupation you were asking about in another thread
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1391173

Peers is in 19 trees on Ancestry, but none of them (as far as I can see) list Henry as one of his siblings.

The Henry in the censuses with wife Jane defintiely married Jane Stringfellow, going by the birth records of the sons:

eg -
NAYLOR, WILLIAM mmn STRINGFELLOW
GRO Reference: 1859 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 577

NAYLOR, JOHN mmn STRINGFELLOW
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in PRESCOT Volume 08B Page 495

So he is definitely the son of Edmund and Ellen - shown in the marriage already posted.

Also his baptism:

: Henry Nailor
in the Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Henry Nailor
Birth Date: 16 Sep 1816
Baptism Date: 27 Oct 1816
Parish: Prescot, St Helens, Lancashire, England
Father: Edmund Nailor
Mother: Ellen Nailor
Register Type: Parish Registers



So we can count him out.

Can't see any baptism or anything for Henry, son of John and Margaret.

Did your contacts say where they found his name?

I've been trying to find my original notes on John and Margaret and their children, but having just moved house they seem to be mislaid. I have found though some emails from three contacts I had in the UK that were all from that line and they all have that same list of children. The irony is that they all have Henry married to Jane Stringfellow as stated above. According to the references above though, the father of the Henry that married Jane was Edmund.

Baptism: 24 Apr 1825 St Mary (now St Helen), St Helens, Lancashire, England
Peers Nailor - Son of John Nailor & Margaret
Abode: Sutton
Occupation: Glass Maker
Baptised by: T. Pigot
Register: Baptisms 1824 - 1833 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page [21], Entry 164
Source: LDS Film 1469036

Thanks.
I’m stumped though as to why I can’t find anything about Henry. I’m wondering if perhaps he could’ve died.

Peers Naylor
England and Wales Census, 1871
Name:
Peers Naylor
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Event Place:
Eccleston, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Eccleston, Lancashire, England
Sub-District:
St Helen
Enumeration District:
18
Sex:
Male
Age:
46
Marital Status:
Unknown
Occupation:
Retired Clerk
Birth Year (Estimated):
1825
Birthplace:
Sutton, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
Head
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1871/3865/0107
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Peers Naylor Head Male 46 Sutton, Lancashire
Margaret Naylor Sister Female 57 Newton, Lancashire
Alice Naylor Niece Female 17 Eccleston, Lancashire

Peers Naylor
England and Wales Census, 1851Name:
Peers Naylor
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1851
Event Place:
Sutton, Lancashire, England
Registration District:
Prescot
Sex:
Male
Age:
26
Marital Status:
Unmarried
Occupation:
Clerk Glass Works
Birth Year (Estimated):
1825
Birthplace:
Sutton, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household:
Son
Page Number:
21
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
2195 / 172
Affiliate Record Type:
Household
Affiliate Image Identifier:
http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC/1851/4298920/00180&parentid=GBC/1851/0001565360
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Margaret Naylor Head Female 70 St Helens, Lancashire
Peers Naylor Son Male 26 Sutton, Lancashire

I'm not at all sure that Henry was born in 1817. I have the following children from parents John Naylor (Nailor) and Margaret:
John b. approx. 1813
Margaret b. approx. 1815
Henry b. approx. 1817
Joseph b. 1820, baptised 27 Feb 1820
James b. 8 June 1823, baptised 29 June 1823
Peers b. 5 April 1825, baptised 24 April 1825

Joseph is my direct line.

Margaret and Peers never married.
I have nothing on Henry.

Where did you find the information that his parents were John and Margaret?

I don't see any baptism with that info.

If it was from his marriage cert, who did he marry?

How did you work back to him?

sutton is in st helens and he has a son named john

Henry Naylor
England and Wales Census, 1871

Name:
Henry Naylor
Event Type:
Census
Event Date:
1871
Event Place:
Sutton, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Sutton, Lancashire, England
Sub-District:
St Helen
Enumeration District:
31
Sex:
Male
Age:
55
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Agricultural Labourer
Birth Year (Estimated):
1816
Birthplace:
Sutton, Lancashire
Relationship to Head of Household:
Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original):
Head
Affiliate Image Identifier:
GBC/1871/3867/0251
Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
Henry Naylor Head Male 55 Sutton, Lancashire
Jane Naylor Wife Female 55 Sutton, Lancashire
Henry Naylor Son Male 19 Sutton, Lancashire
John Naylor Son Male 17 Sutton, Lancashire
William Naylor Son Male 12 Sutton, Lancashire
Martha Naylor Granddaughter Female 5 Sutton, Lancashire

could this be the marriage of henry's parents

ohn Nailor
England Marriages, 1538–1973

Name:
John Nailor
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
5 Nov 1815
Event Place:
Wigan All Saints, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Wigan Parish, Lancaster, England
Sex:
Male
Spouse's Name:
Margaret Jackman
Spouse's Sex:
Female

????
who did henry naylor marry and when

are you sure henry was born in 1817

sutton is in st helens

I thought you had hit the nail on the head with the 1841 reference, giving Henry Naylor living in the same household as Jane Stringfellow, but looking at other info given, Henry's father is shown as Edmund. My Henry's father was John, so I guess this puts me back to square one.
Thanks.

Ellen Naylor
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Ellen Naylor
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
16 Nov 1845
Event Place:
St Helens, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
St Helens, Lancashire, England
Sex:
Female
Father's Name:
Henry Naylor
Mother's Name:
Jane

Mary Naylor
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name:
Mary Naylor
Event Type:
Christening
Event Date:
20 Aug 1843
Event Place:
St Helens, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
St Helens, Lancashire, England
Sex:
Female
Father's Name:
Henry Naylor
Mother's Name:
Jane

Mary Naylor
England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991
Name:
Mary Naylor
Event Type:
Burial
Event Date:
16 Sep 1846
Event Place:
Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Lancaster, England
Residence Place:
Sutton
Sex:
Female
Age:
3
Birth Year (Estimated):
1843

Henry Naylor
England Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:
Henry Naylor
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
17 Apr 1843
Event Place:
Tyldesley, Lancashire, England, United Kingdom
Event Place (Original):
Tyldesley, Lancashire, England
Sex:
Male
Marital Status:
Single
Father's Name:
James Naylor
Spouse's Name:
Jane Battersby
Spouse's Sex:
Female
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Father's Name:
Peter Battersby


Henry Naylor
England, Lancashire, Parish Registers 1538-1910





Name:
Henry Naylor
Event Type:
Marriage
Event Date:
19 Jul 1841
Event Place:
All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
Sex:
Male
Marital Status:
Single
Father's Name:
Edmund Naylor
Spouse's Name:
Jane Stringfellow
Spouse's Sex:
Female
Spouse's Marital Status:
Single
Spouse's Father's Name:
Thomas Stringfellow