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Josephine
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14 Jul 2020 15:13 |
Dad rarely spoke about his parents, I think when his dad died he had a rough time, we left for South Africa in 1951 for several years and his mum died whilst we were there, I suppose a chapter in his life closed, could only keep contact by letter in those days Thank you for your time and research Liz
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ArgyllGran
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13 Jul 2020 18:20 |
Just wondering about this man:
William M Dean in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: William M Dean Gender: Male Marital status: Married Birth Date: 13 May 1883 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 21. South Parade Residence Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England Occupation: Chemical Works Boiler Attendant (Heavy Worker Line Number: 41 Schedule Number: 188 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: LFQB Borough: Runcorn Registration district: 446-2. Inferred Spouse: Janet Dean Inferred Children: Cyril Dean Household Members: Name William M Dean Janet Dean - 15 April 1888 George Wright - 19 Jan 1913, single Cyril Dean - 18 Nov 1924, single
South Parade is literally just round the corner from Baker Road, where Ann was living in 1939. They meet at right angles.
Death of his wife:
Janet Dean in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Janet Dean Death Age: 57 Birth Date: abt 1889 Registration Date: Jan 1946 [Feb 1946] [Mar 1946] Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar Registration district: Liverpool South Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 158
His death:
William M Dean in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: William M Dean Death Age: 66 Birth Date: abt 1883 Registration Date: Apr 1949 [May 1949] [Jun 1949] Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Runcorn Inferred County: Cheshire Volume: 10a Page: 547
Willam Matthew Dean in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 Name: Willam Matthew Dean Death Date: 12 Jun 1949 Death Place: Cheshire, England Probate Date: 26 Jul 1949 Probate Registry: Chester, England
DEAN, William Matthew, of 21 South Parade, Weston Point, Runcorn, Cheshire, died 12 June 1949. Probate 26 July to Samuel Dean, tannery worker, and Norman Dean, chemical process worker.. Effects £886 5s 11d.
If that's the right William M Dean, the marriage only lasted just over a year, which might be why your father never spoke of it. Maybe it didn't seem worth mentioning. Your father would have been 25 at the time of the marriage, so he'd be living his own life by that time, and his mother's remarriage might not have affected it much, if at all.
You'd need Ann's 1948 marriage cert to prove it.
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Josephine
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13 Jul 2020 13:06 |
My cousin told me that Ann saw me when I was born in 1951 so 1953 seems right
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ErikaH
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13 Jul 2020 12:48 |
from freebmd
Deaths Sep 1953 (>99%) DEAN Ann J 60 Chester 10a 140
Her birth year was wrongly stated in 1939
Births Mar 1893 (>99%) Ireland Ann Jane Runcorn 8a 226
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Josephine
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13 Jul 2020 12:47 |
I`m amazed that they took the time to update registers Thank you all for your help Liz
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ErikaH
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13 Jul 2020 12:43 |
That is absolutely how it works. The 1939 register was updated with married names for females for many years after it was originally compiled
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Josephine
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13 Jul 2020 12:38 |
No, what I meant was that I had no idea that Ann re-married as my Dad never said anything about it I queried it because Cheshire BMD records shows the marriage with William M Dean as 1948
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ArgyllGran
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13 Jul 2020 12:28 |
Ernest Jakeman's death was registered in the 1st qr of 1929, so he died either late 1928 or early 1929.
Doris was born in December 1928.
There's no reason why Ernest couldn't have been Doris's father, if that's what you mean.
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ArgyllGran
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13 Jul 2020 12:25 |
Ann's name was Jakeman when the 1939 Register was first compiled.
After she married William Dean the Register was updated, so Jakeman was scored out and Dean written instead. You can see the date of the amendment (not the date of the marriage) in the same handwriting in the left-hand column - LFQ 17/6/48 M.
It doesn't mean there was anything dodgy about her name in 1939.
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Josephine
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13 Jul 2020 12:13 |
I know that Doris was born the year that her father died so perhaps there is some connection there, have never heard or come across Walthew name until today, have also started to question why Ann Jane Ireland (Jakeman) surname is crossed out on 1939 census and Dean has been written in, have found a marriage between Ann J Jakeman to William M Dean in 1948 Runcorn Cheshire which opens up another can of worms, liz
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ArgyllGran
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13 Jul 2020 12:05 |
Same address as in 1939 - but says he's not married:
William Henry Walthew in the British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: William Henry Walthew Gender: Male Birth Date: abt 1900 Enlistment Age: 18 Document Year: 1918 Residence Place: 90 Sherbourne Rd, Blackpool <<<<<<<<<<<<< Regimental Number: 58157 Regiment Name: York and Lancaster Regiment Number of Images: 15 Form Title: Record of Service Family Members: Name Relation to Soldier William Henry Walthew Self (Head) Wm Hy Walthew
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ArgyllGran
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13 Jul 2020 11:50 |
She married back home in Runcorn:
Doris Jakeman in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005 Name: Doris Jakeman Registration Date: Oct 1950 [Nov 1950] [Dec 1950] Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec Registration district: Runcorn Inferred County: Cheshire Spouse: William E Allen Volume Number: 10a Page Number: 837
Re the Walthews:
I haven't found their marriage, but the children's mms is Taylor, so no immediately obvious relationship with Jakemans.
A couple named William Henry Walthew (1888) and Louisa (Lewis)1886 married in Birkenhead in 1907, but they're still in Birkenhead in 1939, so not them.
Here's the Blackpool couple in 1911:
William Henry Walthew in the 1911 England Census Name: William Henry Walthew Age in 1911: 37 Estimated birth year: abt 1874 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Blackpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 71 Handsworth Road Blackpool Marital status: Married Estimated Marriage Year: 1898 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Occupation: Railway Signalman Registration district: Fylde Registration District Number: 477 Sub-registration district: Blackpool ED, institution, or vessel: 04 Piece: 25406 Household Members: Name Age William Henry Walthew 37 Louisa Walthew 35 - Liverpool Gladys Lilith Walthew 12 - Kirkham, Lancs William Henry Walthew 11 - Blackpool Harold Walthew 6 - Blackpool
WALTHEW, GLADYS LITCTH mms TAYLOR GRO Reference: 1898 D Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 641
WALTHEW, WILLIAM HENRY mms TAYLER GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 706
WALTHEW, HAROLD mms TAYLOR GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 675
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Josephine
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13 Jul 2020 11:00 |
What on earth was Doris doing living in Blackpool at the age of 11...the mind boggles
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Josephine
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13 Jul 2020 10:58 |
WOW, thank you so much for your research Liz
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jul 2020 13:27 |
Doris was living in Blackpool in 1939:
Doris Jakeman in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Doris Jakeman [Doris Allen] Gender: Female Marital status: Single Birth Date: 11 Dec 1928 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 90 Sherbourne Road Residence Place: Blackpool, Lancashire, England Occupation: At School Line Number: 41 Schedule Number: 117 Sub Schedule Number: 3 Enumeration District: NCBC Borough: Blackpool Registration district: 477-1 Household Members: Name William H Walthew - 3 May 1873, railway guard, retired. Louisa Walthew - 21 June 1875. Doris Jakeman
So by process of elimination, Jack must be the closed record below Reginald in 1939.
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jul 2020 13:10 |
Ann J Jakeman in the 1939 England and Wales Register Name: Ann J Jakeman [Ann J Dean] Gender: Female Marital status: Widow Birth Date: 14 Feb 1894 Residence Year: 1939 Address: 6 Baker Road Residence Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties Line Number: 8 Schedule Number: 16 Sub Schedule Number: 1 Enumeration District: LFQB Borough: Runcorn Registration district: 446-2. Household Members: Name Ann J Jakeman Ethel Jakeman - 21 Oct 1914 [ later Ramsden ] Reginald Jakeman - 23 April 1920 [Closed record ] Audrey M Jakeman - 18 May 1919, married [Closed record ]
On Ancestry, Audrey and the closed record below her are at the same address, but listed as a different household.
Per FreeBMD, Ernest and Ann had 7 children:
Ethel and Reginald above, and Jack as you know. Ernest G 1916, Thomas C 1921, Prudence B 1926, Doris 1929.
Pre-1939, Thomas died 1922, Prudence died 1926.
The closed record below Audrey in 1939 is presumably her husband Ernest G.
Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%) Jakeman Ernest 36 Runcorn 8a 490
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ArgyllGran
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12 Jul 2020 12:49 |
"Enr" is a mistranscription of Ernest.
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Josephine
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12 Jul 2020 12:31 |
Will try to Open this record button again thanks
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ErikaH
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12 Jul 2020 12:30 |
Marriages Sep 1913 (>99%)
Ireland Ann J Jakeman Runcorn 8a 634 Jakeman Enr Ireland Runcorn 8a 634
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Josephine
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12 Jul 2020 12:29 |
Have found their parents and it appears that younger siblings than them are listed, there are blacked out lines so I assume this could be them? thanks for your help
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