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Hello, help please on the following:

William Race marries Margaret Willis Dec q 1876 Houghton Le Spring. 1881 census as follows:

1881 census Lambton Street H Le Spring

William 29 coalminer Haswell
Margaret 28 Haswell
George Edward 3 H Le Spring
Fishburn 1 H Le Spring
Elizabeth 71 coal miner’s mother Howden Pans
Mary Race 37 sister Haswell
James F 33 brother coalminer Haswell coal miner married

William (occupation farmer) and family emigrate to Australia departing London 18 August 1887 arriving in Sydney 30 September 1887. Passengers William 37, Margaret 36, George Edward 9, Polly 44, Fishburn 7, Eley Jane (Elizabeth Jane) 2, John William 1. Polly is Mary, William’s sister. Doesn't have name of ship.

Don't need any details on James as I have a previous thread on his lifeline.

The above emigration is off family search which is the only site I have access to. Can anyone find any details of them after landing in Australia in 1887. I would have thought Fishburn Race name unusual but can't find anything.

Thank you very much - Marian

Two marriages in NSW for Fishburn Race. One 1907 in Mosman and the other 1908 lin Singleton

Can’t give any more detail as my subscription doesn’t stretch to it

There’s a death in NSW in 1938 for a George Edward Race, but no age on record on FMP

Thanks Erika, it's a start.

Margaret Race born 1852 died 1924 in NSW

A bit more on those marriages:


1908/1907
RACE
FISHBURN
COLES
CAROLINE E M
MOSMAN

6004/1908
RACE
FISHBURN
COLES
CAROLINE E M
SINGLETON

The numbers (1908/1907 etc.) are marked as registration numbers not dates ?? and although they appear to be in 2 districts, the marriages are both for the same couple ???

Dea x

Thank you both.

from FMP ..........

there is no image to check, but I assume the rest of the family will be with him!


Victoria Inward Passenger Lists 1839-1923

First name(s) Fishburn
Last name Race
Age 7
Birth year 1880
Departure port -
Arrival year 1887
Arrival month Sep
Arrival port -
Ship name Liguria
State Victoria
Record set Victoria Inward Passenger Lists 1839-1923
Category Travel & migration
Subcategory Passenger Lists
Collections from Australasia


New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945

First name(s) Fishburn
Last name Race
Denomination -
Marriage year 1907
Registration year 1907
Registration district Mosman
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Spouse's first name(s) Caroline E M
Spouse's last name Coles
Registration number 1908
Volume reference -
Cross reference R
Record set New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Australasia


First name(s) Fishburn
Last name Race
Denomination -
Marriage year 1908
Registration year 1908
Registration district Singleton
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Spouse's first name(s) Caroline E M
Spouse's last name Coles
Registration number 6004
Volume reference -
Cross reference -
Record set New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Australasia



New South Wales Electoral Rolls

WALLSEND—WALLSEND POLLING-PLACE-1913.

Surname of each Elector Christian name of each Elector Sex Residence Occupation

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1257 Race Fishburn M Metcalf street miner
1258 Race Isabella Ivy F Campbell-street domestic duties
1259 Race John William M Campbell-street miner
1260 Race Margaret F Metcalf-street domestic duties
1261 Race Violet F Metcalf-street domestic duties
1262 Race William M Metcalf-street miner
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I guess that Isabella Ivy is John William's wife and that is why the address is different

John William and Ivy Isobel are on the 1935 Electoral Roll. He has changed his job and is now a Chef ...

SUBDIVISION OF ANNANDALE SOUTH,

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4203 Race, Ivy Isobel, 13 Douglas street, home duties, F
4204 Race, John William, 12 Douglas street, chef, M
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The following sites can be useful for searching in Australia, and are free, or free to search basic information .......

https://trove.nla.gov.au/

Australian newspapers

http://www.ryersonindex.org/

free index to death notices in Australian newspapers

http://austcemindex.com/

Australian headstone index

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/index.aspx

Australian National Archives .......... use the name search for immigration, war service, etc


statewide bmds, dates vary between states ....

https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/family-history-research/family-history-search.aspx

https://www.qld.gov.au/law/births-deaths-marriages-and-divorces/family-history-research

www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html

www.bdm.vic.gov.au/research-and-family-history/search-your-family-history

https://bdm.justice.wa.gov.au/_apps/pioneersindex/default.aspx

Looking at the NSW site, here is John William's marriage


Registration number
10893/1911
Groom's Family Name
RACE
Groom's Given Name(s)
JOHN W
Bride's Family Name(s)
PARKINSON
Bride's Given Name(s)
ISABEL I
District
WALLSEND


and the FMP version ......

New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945

First name(s) John W
Last name Race
Denomination -
Marriage year 1911
Registration year 1911
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Spouse's first name(s) Isabel I
Spouse's last name Parkinson
Registration number 10893
Volume reference -
Cross reference -
Record set New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Australasia


You MIGHT find reports of the marriages by searching on the Trove website

from FMP, William's death .........

Australia Deaths & Burials, 1816-1980

First name(s) William
Last name Race
Gender Male
Marital status Married
Occupation -
Birth year 1850
Birth place -
Death year 1915
Death date 09 Jan 1915
Age at death 65
Death place -
Burial date -
Burial place New South Wales, Australia
Cemetery Wallsend - Methodist
Spouse's first name(s) Margaret
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Record set Australia Deaths & Burials, 1816-1980
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Australasia


The NSW bmd information gives his parents names, but not his wife's .........

New South Wales Deaths 1788-1945

First name(s) William
Last name Race
Birth year -
Death year 1915
Registration year 1915
Age at death -
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) George
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Registration number 1221
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Australasia

from FMP 1880 to 1920 ..........

New South Wales 1891 Census
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First name(s) William
Last name Race
Sex Male
Year 1891
Location Brooks ST
District Wallsend
Sub-district Wallsend Central
County Northumberland
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Series NRS 683
Film number 2536
Record set New South Wales 1891 Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Australasia

from image:-
only information really is 5 males and 4 females living in the house (no names given)


from FMP .........

New South Wales Births

First name(s) James
Last name Race
Birth year 1888
Registration year 1888
Denomination -
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Registration number 33654
Record set New South Wales Births
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Australasia


First name(s) Violet
Last name Race
Birth year 1890
Registration year 1890
Denomination -
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Registration number 35691
Record set New South Wales Births
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Australasia



and I guess this is George Edward's child ............

First name(s) Edna
Last name Race
Birth year 1903
Registration year 1903
Denomination -
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) George E
Mother's first name(s) Ellen
Registration number 35136
Record set New South Wales Births
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Births
Collections from Australasia

New South Wales 1901 Census

First name(s) W
Last name Race
Sex Unknown
Year 1901
Location Metcalfe ST
Sub-district Wallsend
District Wallsend
County Northumberland
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Series NRS 685
Film number 1112
Record set New South Wales 1901 Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Australasia

from image:-
only additional information is that there are 5 males and 3 females in the household



Is this the death of William's mother Elizabeth???

New South Wales Deaths 1788-1945

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Race
Birth year -
Death year 1892
Registration year 1892
Age at death -
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) Ralph
Mother's first name(s) -
Registration number 13229
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Australasia


Just because it came up .............

First name(s) James
Last name Race
Birth year -
Death year 1906
Registration year 1906
Age at death -
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) William
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Registration number 14601
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Australasia


First name(s) Margaret
Last name Race
Birth year -
Death year 1924
Registration year 1924
Age at death -
Registration district Wallsend
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Father's first name(s) George
Mother's first name(s) Margaret
Registration number 18083
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Australasia

Yes ..... that was Elizabeth's death ...... another record .........

New South Wales, Newcastle, Lost Cemeteries 1842-1902

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Race
Age 82 years
Birth year 1810
Birth place -
Death year 1892
Death date 25-Dec-1892
Cemetery "old" Wallsend Cemetery
Spouse's name George Race
Father's name Ralph Forster
Mother's name (Unknown)
City Newcastle
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Record set New South Wales, Newcastle, Lost Cemeteries 1842-1902
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Burials
Collections from Australasia

More marriages??

New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945

First name(s) George E
Last name Race
Denomination -
Marriage year 1903
Registration year 1903
Registration district Maitland West
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Spouse's first name(s) Ellen
Spouse's last name Prince
Registration number 1407
Volume reference -
Cross reference -
Record set New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Australasia


First name(s) Violet
Last name Race
Denomination -
Marriage year 1922
Registration year 1922
Registration district Chatswood
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Spouse's first name(s) Percy N
Spouse's last name Clarke
Registration number 11532
Volume reference -
Cross reference -
Record set New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Australasia


and I'm guessing this is the marriage of the Australian-born James from the district ...........

First name(s) James
Last name Race
Denomination -
Marriage year 1923
Registration year 1923
Registration district Maitland West
State New South Wales
Country Australia
Spouse's first name(s) Mabel V
Spouse's last name Hurn
Registration number 6317
Volume reference -
Cross reference -
Record set New South Wales Marriages 1788-1945
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Australasia

1913 Electoral Register

WALLSEND—P.LATTSE RG POLLING-PLACE-1913.
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1040 Race Elizabeth Jane F Nelson-street housemaid
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It's hard to say where she is actually living, or who she is working for ............... the list is alphabetical by surname, and there are no numbers to the houses. People with different names and on different streets are before and after her name.

Notice of Elizabeth Race's death from Trove ???

The Daily Telegraph (Sydney, NSW : 1883 - 1930) Thursday 29 December 1892 p 1 Family Notices
... , . RACE.— December 25 ... , 1892, at the reside n c o ® r son, William Race, at DampbclUU, >Vallsei d, Elizabeth, tho beloved ... 324 words

from image...........

RACE -- December 25 1892, 1t the residence of her son William Race, at Campbell Street, Wallsend, Elizabeth, the beloved mother of Mrs George Race, Nestlebrae, Liverpool Rd, Summer-hill, Sydney, aged 82.

Hello Sylvia, just logged on and seen the above. Thank you so much, so much information to digest. I hadn't realised Elizabeth had also gone to Australia. I had logged onto Trove as I have used the site years ago but I seem to have lost the knack of navigating round the site after so long. Thank you also for adding the web sites - kind regards - Marian

Marain .........

you're welcome.

Trove is a wee bit difficult to navigate, you just have to keep trying.

You might also get a lot from the National Archives site ........ especially the military service. I would not be at all surprised to find that at least some of the Race family served in WW1.

I'll check on FMP for Elizabeth's emigration.

Did I understand the funeral notice correctly ............. she had another son George who also emigrated? Did you know that??