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Albert Edward Breed 18 Sep 1884-10 Jun 1956 m Marie Louisa Digby in 1907 Edmonton Reg.

At some point between 1911 & 1914 they separated. Albert took up with Annie Ethel Brown & Marie with William Frederick Parsons.

On his enlistment papers in 1915, ( edit - they were dated 1917, He had no idea where Marie lived) he names the following children all born Tottenham, which usually comes under Edmonton.

Dorah 9 Feb 1905
Frank William 5 Jan 1906 [mmn Digby]
Winifred 17 Oct 1908
George 3 May 1912
Ada (Maud) 22 Apr 1914 [mmn Brown]
Albert (James) 24 May 1916 [mmn Brown]

As Dorah & Winifred where born while he was still living with Marie, its conceivable that they were the biological children of Annie Ethel Brown & another male.

Albert sometimes used his stepfathers name of Armstrong, hence the brackets. His siblings had been known to double barrel the surnames.

Can someone sort out the births of Dora, Winifred & George please??

Dorah and Winifred not with Albert & Marie in 1911:

Albert Breed
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Albert Breed
Age in 1911: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 26 The Hale, Tottenham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Occupation: Cycle Maker
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: East Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 7342
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Breed 27
Marie Lousie Breed 26
Frank William Breed 5
Nell Biddlecombe 19 - visitor

Is it Dorah or Dora please?

Trying to find Annie Ethel 's YOB, to try to find her in 1911 -


Here's Albert in 1939 - image says 1884.
Is this yet another partner, or is Alice really Annie Ethel?


Albert Breed
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Albert Breed
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1881 [1884 on image ]
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Hackney, London, England
Occupation: Incapacitated
Schedule Number: 10
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: AIDZ
Registration district: 12/1
Inferred Spouse: Alice Breed
Household Members:
Name
Albert Breed
Alice Breed 12/11/1891

Address: 31 Dalston Lane

EDIT:
Ancestry suggests she is Alice Esther Talmey.

Dorah is definitely Dorah on the army record - although Ancestry transcribes it as Sarah.

It’s a bit of a mess, isn’t it?

I’m wondering if Ada & Albert are actually Hudson’s rather than Breed as I’d assumed. The military record is dated 1917 rather the. 1915.

Name: Albert J Hudson
Registration Date: 1916
Registration district: Edmonton
Inferred County: Essex
Re-registration Year: 1916
Mother's Maiden Name: Brown
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 1249

Talk about going round in circles!

Where have you got Annie Ethel's name from, please?

She's not mentioned on Albert's army record, and doesn't appear to be with him in 1939.
Does his death cert give her name? If so, they couldn't have been together until after 1939 ??

EDIT:
No, of course it will be from one of the children's birth certs.

Births Mar 1885 (>99%)
DIGBY Marie Louisa Edmonton 3a 367

Re George E R Hudson -

This will be his parents' marriage:

Marriages Mar 1912 (>99%)
Brown Annie Hudson Edmonton 3a 695
Hudson Edward R Brown Edmonton 3a 695

Is this the same Annie ?


In 1939 there's an Albert J Brown (24/05/1916) living with George E R Hudson.

Same DOB as on Albert senior's army record.

After checking back, the source seems to have been from someone originally on Ancestry. We did correspond.

Although we all make mistakes, I'm relatively confident that she didn't get her wires crossed.

Thank you, thank you, Argyllgran. That certainly seems to 'fit'.
Assuming husband no 1 died fairly soon after Arthur's conception, Albert Breed was quite quick to gain her affections.

(Have just updated my last post to point out that Albert J Brown's DOB is the same as Albert James Breed's on Albert Breed's army record - ie - Albert J Brown with George E R Hudson in 1939.)

Deaths Jun 1912 (>99%)
Hudson Edward R 36 Edmonton 3a 523

:-D

DET .............

Have you tried GRO Index to see how the children were registered???

This was posted before, I'm sure, but must have been deleted:

HUDSON, GEORGE EDWARD ROBERT mms BROWN
GRO Reference: 1912 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 1189


HUDSON, ALBERT JAMES mms BROWN
GRO Reference: 1916 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 1249

Could Winfred be a niece of Edward?? Looked after by Edward and annie, and then later by Albert ??

HUDSON, WINIFRED -
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 633

it's a real maze!!!!

AHA !

Here are the girls - children of Edward and Annie - living as husband and wife although not married until 1912


Edward Robert Hudson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edward Robert Hudson
Age in 1911: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation to Head: Boarder
Birth Place: Hommerton
Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address: 5 High Cross Road, Tottenham
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 6
Estimated Marriage Year: 1905
Occupation: House Painter
Registration district: Edmonton
Registration District Number: 132
Sub-registration district: East Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Household schedule number: 203
Piece: 7335
Household Members:
Name Age
Alfred Hacker 28
George Jarvis Ackerman 24
Alice Maude Rosette Ackerman 4
Eliza Florence Ackerman 3
May Louise Ackerman 3
Edward Robert Hudson 35
Annie Hudson 29
Dora Lucy Annie Hudson 5 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Winifred Elizabeth Hudson 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<<


HUDSON, DORA LUCY ANNIE mms BROWN
GRO Reference: 1905 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 484

HUDSON, WINIFRED ELIZABETH mms BROWN
GRO Reference: 1908 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 544


Albert got Dora's DOB wrong in his army record.


The family are living just round the corner from Albert and Marie in 1911.

Oh well done. Thank you so much. He was either greedy or very generous to claim dependents allowance for so many non blood related children.

Any chance of working out who Alice Breed 12/11/1891 is from the 1939 please?
From memory, the best fit for Annie Ethel Brown was about 1884, West Ham.