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Hi everyone, can anyone help me please?
I thought I had the details correct for the marriage of William Alfred Blackey ( born 1808) to Frances Dimelow (born 1811).
However I don’t. They were married around 1829. On the 1841 census it says she came from Wales.
So it’s definitely Frances but I don’t know her surname, and I’ve hunted without any results to find a record of their marriage. Likely it will be Liverpool/ Lancashire where William lived but I’m not certain. I don’t think it’s Dimelow as that family are from Manchester, and their daughter Frances is too young to be Williams wife in view of the ages of their children
Please can anyone find their marriage record?
Thanks
Glyn

Just to add to the confusion on Find a grave Frances is buried in Pauatahanui burial ground, Wellington, NZ as is William, which is correct. It lists her name as being Frances Dimelow Blackey!!
However, the “parents” I thought were hers are from Manchester, not Wales, ( John Dimelow and Frances Mills) and their daughter Frances was born 1822, and my ancestor had children from 1830 onwards, so too young to be her.
I hope that hasn’t made the issue more confused!!!!

For info

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bath Villa, Childwall, West Derby, Lancashire, England

First name(s) Last name Sex Age Birth year Birth place
William Blackey Male 30 1811 Lancashire, England Transcription
Frances Blackey Female 30 1811 - Transcription
Thomas Blackey Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England Transcription
William Blackey Male 7 1834 Lancashire, England Transcription
Joseph Blackey Male 1 1840 Lancashire, England

Frances was 'not born in County' - no mention of Wales on the above image

Right....1851, where her birthplace is recorded as Wales

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bell Street, Toxteth Park Extra Parochial, West Derby, Lancashire, England

William Blackey Head Married Male 43 1808 Publican Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Frances Blackey Wife Married Female 40 1811 - Wales Transcription
Joseph Blackey Son - Male 10 1841 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Sarah Blackey Daughter - Female 8 1843 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Hannah Blackey Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Liverpool, Lancashire, England Transcription
Hannah Lowe Servant - Female 21 1830 House Servant Bolton, Somerset, England

The children's baptsims are on familysearch - unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be any sign of the marriage of William and Frances, and the children's births weren't registered.

Looks like Hannah was registered:

BLACKEY, HANNAH DIMILOW Order
GRO Reference: 1845 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1026

Nice one, Flip - I missed that completely - but I only looked at LancsBMD

BLACKEY, JOSEPH DEMELOW Order
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 853

Yet another spelling of mmn:

BLACKEY, JOHN DIMELOW Order
GRO Reference: 1844 J Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1002

This one sadly died in 1844.

Below might relate also...

(William occ. Joiner 1841)

Chris :)

Baptism: 22 Nov 1837 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Blackey - [Child] of William Blackey & Frances
Abode: Egypt Street
Occupation: Joiner
Baptised by: John Cheetham, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1838, Page 165, Entry 1318
Source: LDS Film 1656422

Baptism: 22 Nov 1837 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Thomas Blackey - [Child] of William Blackey & Frances
Abode: Egypt Street
Occupation: Joiner
Baptised by: John Cheetham, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1838

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html


https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1371207

(William occ. Carpenter on above)


Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Frances
Last name DIMELOW
Marriage year 1829
Marriage date 11 Oct 1829
Spouse's first name(s) William (Carpenter)
Spouse's last name Blackey
County Cheshire
(Wits. Thos. Peers, Elizabeth Dimelow)


Dimela Frances - 1810 Cheshire Diocese Of Chester Bishop's Transcripts Baptisms 1576-1906 Chester, St. John the Baptist, Cheshire, England (Find My Past)

http://cprdb.csc.liv.ac.uk/Live/v3.6/database.html

(Elizabeth on above also 1807)

?? Frances Dimela born 21/3/1810 baptised 8/4/1810 in Cheshire by John and Mary Dimela.

Maryb.

Following on from Mary's find, these also are on familysearch

Name Elizabeth Dimela
Gender Female
Christening Date 16 Dec 1807
Christening Date (Original) 16 DEC 1807
Christening Place St John the Baptist's, Chester, Cheshire, England
Father's Name John Dimela
Mother's Name Mary Dimela


Name Ann Dimela
Gender Female
Christening Date 05 Sep 1806
Christening Date (Original) 05 SEP 1806
Christening Place St John the Baptist's, Chester, Cheshire, England
Father's Name John Dimela
Mother's Name Mary Dimela

So the 1851 census giving her birthplace as Wales would seem to be inaccurate

Could have been born Wales - Chester is just about on the English/Welsh border, may have been the nearest place for baptism ???

FWIW .........

.......... OH was born in Wales, parents lived in Chester. :-D

His Mother went to a nursing home 10 miles away, just over the border. The border has since moved and he now would have been born in England.

That border has always been somewhat "fluid".


OH's mother was Welsh, but that was not the reason he was born in Wales ........... the nursing home was the closest one that she could go to.

from FMP


Diocese of Chester parish registers of baptisms c1538-1910

First name(s) Frances
Last name Dimela
Gender Female
Birth year 1810
Baptism year 1810
Baptism date 08 Apr 1810
Place Chester, St John
County Cheshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Dimela
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish baptisms 1538-1911

From image:-

Father occupation:- Chaise Driver

That’s amazing. I just knew you would all help me. I did have the wrong parents but all this extra information and the marriage record is fantastic. Hopefully I can find a marriage certificate to purchase now I have this extra information.
Thank you all. A great combined effort
:-D Glyn

I'm afraid you cannot get certificates for BMD events before July 1837

For helpers ref in case there is any crossover in the info? Re the Blackey side of the family.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1371008?d=desc

Glyn ............

registration of births, marriages and deaths began on July 1 1837.

Before that date, all you can get will be the Parish Register entry.

Those are slowly being digitised, otherwise you would have to find out where the relevant Parish Register is now kept, find out if you can visit, ad then copy out the entry.

Sources online for Parish entries are the Mormon site, Family Search (records only, not the user submitted entries!); FreeReg, Online Parish Clerks sites (not every county covered), and the subscription sites Ancestry, and FindMyPast

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list

You have to sign up with Family Search, but it is free to do so and seems safe

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/online_parish_clerk

you might try this one as well for Cheshire ...

http://archives.cheshire.gov.uk/family-history/parish-registers-and-bishops.aspx