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Chris :)

Thanks Chris - that looks like him.

If he joined the Royal Australian Navy in 1923 though, it would seem that his original arrival must have been much earlier.

I have sent some more info to his son in Australia and am awaiting his further reply.....

Dea x

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/PassengerSearch.aspx

(as F M Selwood, (RAN) (Royal Australian Navy) written by side. (seems he was a Bandmaster?, from that Service Record posted earlier. Date of Entry into RAN 21/9/23)

(National Archives Australia, times out if left too long)

(SELWOOD F M Mr 14 Feb 1936 Sydney Hobsons Bay Southampton)

Chris :)

(below was another, also snippets in below)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y


AUTHOR Frank Michael Selwood and Richard Hills Stoner : ADDRESS HMS Sydney and HMS Canberra : TITLE OF WORK Recruiting Song : TYPE OF WORK Musical : APPLICANT Frank Michael Selwood and Richard Hills Stoner : DATE OF APPLICATION 29 Nov 1938
Access status: Open
Location: Canberra
1938 - 1938

Hello - it's me again :-D

Does anyone have access to this record please it is apparently Frank's arrival in Australia:

Source Citations Attached to Arrival
Fremantle, Western Australia, Passenger Lists, 1897-1963

National Archives of Australia; Queen Victoria Terrace, Parkes ACT 2600.; Inward passenger manifests for ships and aircraft arriving at Fremantle, Perth Airport and Western Australian outports from 1897-1963; Series Number: K 269; Reel Number: 79

He was Frank Michael Selwood - born 14th May,1906 in Salford, Manchester.

I think he was in the Merchant Navy at that time but not certain of this ?

Thanks,

Dea x

(jolly good Dea, good result, better strike up a tune on the ol' Joanna, methinks, lol)

Chris :)

Just to let you know - I am SO excited - I have just received a reply from that Geni site which safc posted (thank you safc <3 <3 <3)

The reply was from one of Frank Michael's sons who I think lives in Australia.

He is very interested in researching his father's (Frank's) family in the UK so we have exchanged e-mail addresses and I hope to hear back from him soon with some photo's etc.

I am busy sorting out about 15 pages of notes and census details I have amassed over the past few days so that I can send it all to him in some sort of order.

It's going to be a busy day !

Will let you know how I get on.

Dea Xxx

EDIT - Correction - I thought I had 15 pages of notes to sort but have just printed them off onto 37 !!!!! pages......phewww !

I may be gone some time ;-) <3 <3

Dea x

Thanks Chris.

Poor Lillie/Lily had a very hard life and I am becoming obsessed about finding out more about her.

She married my great uncle Arthur Massey in 1937 and I met her only once, probably sometime in the late 60's.

I used to visit my 'uncle Arthur' with my mum (he was 'her' uncle really'.

Uncle Arthur was a lovely 'gentle' man who loved to play the piano - he used to teach me little tunes on it and when he had to move to a small flat he left it to me.

He always lived on his own but on one visit there was a lady there - when I asked who she was I was told that she was my 'Aunty Lilian'. I think she was visiting for the day.

Apparently she had spent the majority of her married life in some sort of Institution (possibly Prestwich Asylum ?). She was not talked about further but I seem to remember something was once said about her 'going mad', and the possibility of them having had a child ??

I can find no evidence of a birth and all this is just speculation but I have always wondered if poor Aunty Lilian had miscarried a child or had a stillbirth and then suffered a severe Post Natal Depression which led her to being admitted to the Asylum. Sadly, Post Natal Depression was not really a recognised or treatable problem in those days and this sort of thing often happened.

I have a lovely photo of them together, probably just before their marriage but it is so sad to think that that each of them spent the rest of their lives alone.

Dea x

Lol, snap Dea!, am thinking so!!...had been looking round newspapers trying different keywords, thought there might be 'Desertion' or something!)

Chris :)

Saw below!...(and think there are a couple more of those Manchester Workhouse Admissions, one under Silwood, mention of Styal Cottage Home, and 5 Clare Street Hulme given)

(on 1910 Frank Michael Silwood and Lillie, Father Frank, 2 Pickering St. Hulme)

Chris :)

Edits (have removed Newspaper article, Dea has found same)

I wonder if this could have been 'my' Minnie??


Police Gazette 13 August 1918

APPREHENSIONS SOUGHT.

86. - Old Trafford (County). - For stealing (servant) at Eccles, 3rd inst., 2 chemises, laundry mark "D.36", 1 pair cotton drawers, do.; 1 It. brown wicker basket, fastens with two clasps and lock; 1 £1 note; a quantity of tea and bacon. —MINNIE SELWOOD alias Hopkins, age 35, bt. 4ft. ttin., slender build, c. fresh, h. and e. brown, four front teeth decayed; dress, navy blue skirt, purple velvet coat
and hat. A domestic; native of Manchester.

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/61407769

Dea x

Yes Andy - that record for his in the Royal Artillery was indeed him but they have the date wrong - it 1902 not 1907!

YES !! - Mother named as Emily Bentley, 27 New Bailey, Salford.

Name: Frank Selwood
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Place: Lancashire
Service Start Year: 1907 ---------------------- should be 1902 !! ??
Regiment: Royal Artillery
Regimental Number: 26475
Attestation Paper: Yes


British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

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First name(s) Frank
Last name Selwood
Birth year 1881
Birth parish Not Known
Birth town Salford
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 26475
Regiment -
Year 1902
Attestation date 21 Aug 1902 -
Attestation age years 21
Attestation age months 4
Attestation service number 26475
Attestation corps Royal H Artillery
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 97 - Chelsea Pensioners British Army Service Records 1760-1913
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 97
Box 5868
Box record number 26
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, England
He was a French Polisher !

7/11/1902 - Discharged on payment of £10 *** which I believe means he either 'bought himself out' or someone else paid the money to do this. He was only in for a couple of months.

......................

It gives his next of Kin as mother - Emily Bentley which is this one:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
27, New Bailey Street Brown Cross Street, Salford, Lancashire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Bentley Head Married Male 53 1848 Musical Instrument Seller Salford, Lancashire, England
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Emily A Bentley Wife Married Female 39 1862 - Stratford, Essex, England (image says Stretford, Lancs!!)
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Frank Bentley Son Single Male 19 1882 French Polisher Salford, Lancashire, England
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Emily M Bentley Daughter Single Female 18 1883 - Salford, Lancashire, England

Emily had remarried after Michael died:

Deaths Mar 1892 (>99%)
Selwood Michael 69 Salford 8d 54


Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Bentley Thomas Salford 8d 159 Scan available - click to view
Selwood Emily Anne Salford 8d 159

I would still like to know what happened to Frank + Minnie if anyone can find anything please?

Dea x

Thank you Chris - I couldn't understand the connection on the last one ;-)

I have found LOADS of info on Minnie's family now I know I have the correct one.

Other trees I found all seemed to link her with the other Minnie b. c1875 but I knew that couldn't be correct - anyway I can now prove them wrong (if ever any of them decide to reply to my mails).

Many thanks for your help on this - and to safc, rootgatherer and Andrew <3 <3 <3

Dea x

(better below!)

Chris :)

Victoria Births Transcription (Find my Past)

First name(s) Jean May
Last name Wilson
Sex Female
Birth year 1912
Birth place Lgatha
Father's name William Haywood
Mother's name Sarah Johnson


WILSON Given namesJean May
EventBirth
Father's name / Spouse's family nameWm Haywood
Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given nameSarah (Johnson)
Reg. year1912
Reg. no21843

https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj

(perhaps better ignore that Dea!, enough to confuse for sure, lol)

Chris :)

(out shortly, but perhaps more on Ancestry, Electoral)

Good morning all you lovely people <3

I have been reading though the info you have added for the past hour and I am a little confused at the moment on this bit (though I am not quite awake yet ):


Victoria Deaths 1836-1985 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Jean May
Last name Selwood
Age 22
Sex Female
Birth year 1912
Death year 1934
Father's name Selwood William Haywood
Mother's name Sarah Johnson
Death place Bmeadows
State Victoria
Registration number 15904

Where does the William Haywood Selwood fit in please?

Dea x

http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/search/

(click 'Record Search', then 'Name Search', 'All Records', a couple of items, Frank Selwood)

Chris :)

(will Time Out, if I give direct link!, one is below, but not easy to read NOK details)

SELWOOD FRANK MICHAEL : Service Number - 14101 : Date of birth - 14 May 1906 : Place of birth - MANCHESTER ENGLAND : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY : Next of Kin - PHYLLIS


Victoria Deaths 1836-1985 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Jean May
Last name Selwood
Age 22
Sex Female
Birth year 1912
Death year 1934
Father's name Selwood William Haywood
Mother's name Sarah Johnson
Death place Bmeadows
State Victoria
Registration number 15904


Australia Electoral Rolls Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s)
Frank Michael
Last name Selwood
Sex Male
Occupation Branch Manager
Year 1949
Number 9892
House name 11
Street Grange Street
Address 11 Grange Street
Sub-district Toowoomba
District Darling Downs
State Queensland


Edits (seems also to be F M Selwood Death, 1950, possibly Frank Milton Selwood for him, Birth 1892)

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y

(frank selwood, Navy musical references)

To go with above.

Surrey, England, Church of England Marriages, 1754-1937


Name: Minnie Selwood
[Minnie Randall]
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1899
Marriage Date: 20 May 1922
Marriage Place: Kingston Upon Thames, St Luke, Surrey, England
Parish as it Appears: Kingston Upon Thames, St Luke
Search Photos: Search for 'Kingston Upon Thames, St Luke' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Father: George Randall
Spouse: Arthur Chandler
Reference Number: 2209/5


Andy

????

Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
CHANDLER Arthur Selwood Kingston 2a 952 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
HALL Henry J Powell Reading 2a 952
King Lucy M A Read Kingston 2a 952
READ Henry P King Kingston 2a 952
SELWOOD Minnie Chandler Kingston 2a 952 xxxxxxxxxxxx

Could this be Frank??? Record on FMP?

UK, Royal Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Soldier Service Records, 1760-1920



Name: Frank Selwood
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1886
Birth Place: Lancashire
Service Start Year: 1907
Regiment: Royal Artillery
Regimental Number: 26475
Attestation Paper: Yes


Andy

Andy - 'You little love' !!! :-D :-D

That's her all right.

Must go now but will be up bright and early - I am SO happy I will sleep like a log.

Dea Xxx