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Hi all..just wondering if anyone has any info on Margaret Pownall born Liverpool 1923..I cant find anything about her other than her address and who she married..but apart from that a total brick wall..been looking for years..but wont give up

thank you
Amanda

:-)

What is her mother's first name on birth cert?

On FreeBMD her mother's maiden name is Pownall so possibly illegitimate,

what do you want to know?

You would need to buy her birth cert to see her mums name and the address she was born may help identify her mum on the 1939 register

MARGARET
Last name POWNALL
Birth year 1923
Birth quarter 2
Registration month -
Mother's last name Pownall
District Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 216

Related?

http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/LANCSGEN/2010-01/1264288601

quote from there

"Probably because they were born before the marriage.

Ann, born q3 1916, Liverpool 8b/185
Margaret, born q2 1923, Liverpool 8b/216
Georgina, born q2 1926, Liverpool 8b/481

That thread has the header "annie ARMSTRONG nee POWNALL of liverpool around 1920" appears to suggest this is the marriage of the mother?

Marriages Dec 1929 (>99%)
Armstrong Thomas Pownall Liverpool 8b 209
Pownall Annie Armstrong Liverpool 8b 209

EDIT as I see you have already replied on that ( assuming that's you posting) ?, did you buy the birth certs/marriage cert and what was the outcome please?

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Armstrong Household (6 People)
3c Myrtle Gardens , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Margarete Armstrong 08 Jun 1923 Female Nut Sorter (Mill) Single 218 3
Thomas Armstrong 09 Jan 1904 Male Monumental Masons Labourer Married 218 1
Annie Armstrong 29 Nov 1903 Female Laundress Married 218 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
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In case this is of interest to you Amanda, i think this is the birth registration of "Annie" Pownall

Born 29th Nov 1903 according to the 1939 Register....but birth registered in the 1st quarter of 1904. (You had 6 weeks to register a birth)

POWNALL, HANNAH MMN SCANLAN
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 587

Appears As "Annie" on the 1911 census.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9 Corlett St Falknes St Liverpool, West Derby, Lancashire, England

Joseph Pownall Head Married Male Plasters Labour 47 1864 Born in England Lancs Liverpool
Margaret Pownall Wife Married Female House Work 46 1865 Lancs Liverpool
Elizabeth Pownall Daughter Single Female Daily Worker 20 1891 Lancs Liverpool
Peter Pownall Son Single Male Class Cottle Blower 18 1893 Lancs Liverpool
Annie Pownall **** Daughter - Female School 7 1904 Lancs Liverpool
Mary Pownall Daughter - Female None School 4 1907 Lancs Liverpool

Married 27 years.....10 children born, 5 living, 5 had died.

Parents marriage.....

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
POWNALL Joseph Liverpool 8b 20[38]
Scanlan Margaret Liverpool 8b 208


Margaret Scanlan in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Margaret Scanlan
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Age: 21
Birth Date: 1865
Marriage Date: 6 Dec 1886
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: John Scanlan
Spouse: Joseph Pownall

Married as "Annie"

(Image only unfortunately)

Annie Pownall in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Annie Pownall
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Date: 1903
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1929
Marriage Place: St. Nathaniel'S, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Pownall ****
Spouse: Thomas Armstrong
FHL Film Number: 1545901
Reference ID: 34

(She obviously preferred the name "Annie")


Annie Armstrong in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Annie Armstrong
Death Age: 84
Birth Date: 29 Nov 1903 ****
Registration Date: Aug 1988
Registration district: Liverpool
Inferred County: Merseyside
Volume: 36
Page: 882

Not to be confused with this Annie (I checked her out)

Births Dec 1905 (>99%)
Pownall Annie MMN Dean W. Derby 8b 575

Deaths Sep 1906 (>99%)
POWNALL Annie 0 W.Derby 8b 392

I am not seeing a Pownall/Scanlan birth registered for the daughter Mary.

Hello everyone..wow all of your replys have been amazing..I am going to re read and absorb..totally overwhelmed by the response was not expecting this at all..Feeling very happy right now and quite emotional

Thankyou

Amanda

Hello everyone..wow all of your replys have been amazing..I am going to re read and absorb..totally overwhelmed by the response was not expecting this at all..Feeling very happy right now and quite emotional

Thankyou

Amanda

just noticed something..I posted this on the 29th November and that was annie Pownalls birthday..spooky :-)

Thank you for your messages.

Spooky indeed Amanda.......

Are you looking for Margaret's death?

If so......Who did Margaret marry??

Did she marry under the surname of Pownall??

Or did she marry under the surname of her stepfather Armstrong??

When and where did the marriage take place??

I can't for the life of me find the Pownall family on the 1901 census

Here they are in 1891...

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Windsor View, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

Joseph Pownall Head Married Male 25 1866 General Labourer -
Margaret Pownall Wife Married Female 25 1866 - -
Emma Pownall Daughter - Female 4 1887 - -
Elizabeth Pownall Daughter - Female 2 1889 - -
Andrew Kenna Lodger Single Male 31 1860 Shoemaker Ireland


Emma Pownall in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Emma Pownall
Birth Date: 26 Jun
Baptism Date: 26 Dec 1887
Baptism Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Pownall (Labourer) Lodge Lane
Mother: Margaret Pownall


I can't see a baptism for Elizabeth.

I am not seeing births registerd for Elizabeth or Emma


POWNALL, PETER MMN SCANLON
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in TOXTETH PARK Volume 08B Page 135


Peter Pownall in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Peter Pownall
Birth Date: 12 Aug
Baptism Date: 4 Oct 1893
Baptism Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Pownall (Labourer) Eden Street
Mother: Margaret Pownall


This must be one of the children who died......

Joseph Pownall in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Joseph Pownall
Age: 0
Birth Date: 13 Jul 1896
Baptism Date: 3 Aug 1896
Baptism Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Pownall (Labourer) Isis Street
Mother: Margaret Pownall

Another one....

John Pownall in the Liverpool, England, Church of England Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: John Pownall
Age: 0
Birth Date: 24 Jul 1899
Baptism Date: 20 Aug 1899
Baptism Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: Joseph Pownall (Labourer) Godmin Street
Mother: Margaret Pownall

Sadly, Margaret's sister Ann Pownall died in 1938

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Pownall Ann Pownall Liverpool 8b 185

Ann Pownall in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Ann Pownall
Death Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1917
Registration Date: Sep 1938
Registration district: Liverpool South
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 30


Ann Pownall in the Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1987
Name: Ann Pownall *****Residence: 19 Myrtle Gardens *****
Age: 21
Birth Date: abt 1917
Burial Date: 28 Jul 1938
Burial Place: Ford Cemetery, Lancashire, England

Sister Georgina married in 1950.....

Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%)
Malgasian Charles Pownall Liverpool S. 10d 762
POWNALL Georgina Malgasian Liverpool S. 10d 762

2 children were born to the 1929 Armstrong/Pownall marriage

Births Jun 1931 (>99%)
Armstrong Thomas Pownall Liverpool 8b 398

Births Dec 1935 (>99%)
Armstrong Jean Pownall Liverpool S. 8b 281

British Army Service Records 1914-1920 Transcription

First name(s) Peter
Last name Pownall
Age 21
Birth year 1893
Birth town Liverpool
Birth county Lancashire
Birth country England
Service number 12806
Regiment South Lancashire Regiment
Year 1914
Series WO 364
Series description Wo 364 - First World War Pension Claims
Archive The National Archives
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory First World War
Collections from Great Britain, UK None

wife Rebecca named as NOK


First name(s) PETER
Last name POWNALL
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1914
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ PETER POWNALL married
Rebecca Delaney
Spouse's last name Delaney
District Liverpool
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 86

Although wife is given as Annie here, the son Richard's mmn is Delaney

Pownall Household (4 People)
66 Chatsworth Street , Liverpool C.B., Lancashire, England

Peter Pownall 12 Aug 1893 Male Glass Bottle Blower Married 259 1
Annie Pownall 17 Dec 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 259 2
Richard Pownall 11 Nov 1924 Male Shop Boy (Butchers) Single 259 3
John Devereux 10 Feb 1924 Male Shop Boy (Butchers) Single 259 4

In the same house as the 1891 that PricklyHolly posted for Joseph and Margaret , presumable a brother to Joseph, the same first names run through both families.

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Windsor View, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

Peter Pownall Head Married Male 52 1839 Smiths Labourer -
Emma Pownall Wife Married Female 51 1840 - -
Hannah Pownall Daughter - Female 18 1873 Servant -
Ellen Pownall Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar -
Richard Pownall Son - Male 13 1878 Scholar -
William Pownall Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar -
Thomas Edwards Nephew - Male 12 1879 Scholar -
Robert Edwards Lodger Single Male 30 1861 Navvy

Peter's first wife died in 1934

Deaths Jun 1934 (>99%)
Pownall Rebecca 39 Liverpool 8b 140

He re-married in 1938

Marriages Dec 1938 (>99%)
Devereux Annie Pownall Liverpool S. 8b 45
Pownall Peter Devereux Liverpool S. 8b 45

Annie's son John who appears on the 1939 Register.....

Births Mar 1924 (>99%)
Devereux John MMN Gray Liverpool 8b 496