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AnnWilliams

AnnWilliams Report 30 Apr 2017 18:18

I am seeking a James Abbott born June/July 1880 who left England on the Campania in September 1903. He would have been a time served skilled craftsman although the ships list had him as a Labourer and could probably turn his hand to most building work.
He left his home County of Cornwall and travelled to Liverpool then by Ship to New York. The Ship was a sister ship to the Lusitania and in the Cunard Line. Sadly that's all the information I have. Would love to know more.
many Thanks

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 30 Apr 2017 18:37

Ancestry has a James Abbott born 1880, England as a crew member of the Aquitania which seemed to have arrived in New York from Southampton on a monthly basis in 1927.

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 30 Apr 2017 18:47

This James Abbott born 1880 arrived New York from Liverpool aboard the Campania in 1903 but he was Irish and seemed to be with a brother Thomas, 2 years older.


James Abbott
in the New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name:
James Abbott
Arrival Date:
12 Sep 1903
Birth Date:
abt 1881
Age:
22
Gender:
Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality:
Irish
Port of Departure:
Liverpool, England
Port of Arrival:
New York, New York
Ship Name:
Campania

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Apr 2017 19:04

???

Name: James Abbott
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's name: Thomas R Abbott
Mother's name: Prudance M Abbott
Gender: Male
Where born: North Hill, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: North Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: North Hill
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Launceston
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1805
Folio: 19
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas R Abbott 38<<<< Mason
Prudance M Abbott 37
William Abbott 17
James Abbott 10
Elizabeth Abbott 60

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Apr 2017 19:05

Name: James Abbott
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Northill, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalene
Search Photos: Search for 'St Mary Magdalene' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: Launceston St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: MASON

Registration district: Launceston
Sub-registration district: Launceston
ED, institution, or vessel: 1

Piece: 2183
Folio: 12
Page Number: 15
Household schedule number: 87
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Adams 44
Jane Adams 44
Mary Adams 22
Richard Adams 19
William H Adams 15
Alice M Adams 9
James Abbott 20<<<<

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Apr 2017 19:12

It says it was a Steamer Newastead.
1901 England Census

Name: James Abbott
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1875
Relation to Head: 2nd Mate (Mate)
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Vessels
Search Photos: Search for 'Vessels' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Town: Millwall Dock
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation: 2nd Mate<<<<<<

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar
ED, institution, or vessel: Newstead
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 358
Folio: 244
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph E Jory 39
Peter Ramsland 39
James Abbott 26
O Mise 43
J Kodo 50
K Tonkilson 30
E Seemiller 31
J Elven 19
A Elven 18
J Mammi 36
A Amland 20
A Hulton 23
J Cumming 30
L Lenjomean 22
E Hecks 34
E Cottman 26
J Conley 25
A Saren 32
N Bjorkman 38
A Korman 31
A Eleven 19
A Kamp 29
(not transcribed) 29
G Baker 34
C Hornemburg 39
S Spate 22
J Montter 22

It has him born Cornwall St Austell

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Apr 2017 19:14

O wrong year of birth on that one.

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Apr 2017 19:23

Or this one??

Fathers a Gamekeeper

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: James Henry Abbott
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Abbott
Mother: Susan Abbott
Gender: Male
Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Austell
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address: Molingy

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2302
Folio: 38
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Abbott 41
Susan Abbott 34
Johanna Abbott 69
William Samuel Abbott 8
Joseph Francis Abbott 5
James Henry Abbott 4
Ephelinda Abbott 2
Catherine Ellen Abbott

1891
Name: James H Abbott
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Abbott
Mother's name: Susan J Abbott
Gender: Male
Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Austell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Austell
Town: Molingey
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1822
Folio: 148
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Abbott 51
Susan J Abbott 42
William S Abbott 18 Brother William is a masons apprentice.
James H Abbott 14<<<
Ethelinda J Abbott 12
Catherine E Abbott 10
William H Wood 16

Mel Fairy Godmother

Mel Fairy Godmother Report 30 Apr 2017 19:32

ABBOTT, JAMES MMN DYMOND
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in LAUNCESTON Volume 05C Page 32

AnnWilliams

AnnWilliams Report 1 May 2017 19:40

My James Parents were Thomas Rockey Abbott Born Tetcott Devon and Prudence.
Do you have any link to him?

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 1 May 2017 22:31

This James Abbott enlisted for WW1 in Canadian Expeditionary Force but he enlisted in England. He was born 6 June 1880, Coads Green, North Hill, Launceston, Cornwall. He was a mason, next-of-kin was wife Mary Ann in South Zeal, Okehampton, Devonshire. He enlisted at Shorncliffe, Engand 6 July, 1916.


James Abbott
in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
Name:
James Abbott
Birth Date:
6 Jun 1880
Birth Location:
Coads Green North Hill Launceston, Cornwall
Relative:
Mary Ann Abbott
Relationship:
Wife
Regiment Number:
45473

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 1 May 2017 23:02

Possible marriage for that James?


James Abbott
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name:
James Abbott
Registration Year:
1903
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:
Okehampton
Inferred County:
Devon
Volume
5b
Page:
851

Records on Page:

James Abbott
William George Conibear
Mary Ann Holman
Emily Ann Langmead
James Henry Roberts

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 1 May 2017 23:56

James Abbott
in the Canada, WWI CEF Personnel Files, 1914-1918
Name: James Abbott
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1880
Birth Place: Coads Green North Hill Launceston, Cornwall
Relative: Mary Ann Abbott
Relationship of Relative: Wife
Regimental Number: 45473

As well as all the details posted by MargaretM,
He was 5' 8.5" tall, fair complexion, blue eyes, brown hair.
He had a scar on his right thumb, caused by a cut in childhood..

He was discharged (demobilised) on 26 May 1919 in Vancouver (or at least the papers were signed in Vancouver) having served in France with the Canadian Engineers, as a sapper. Some papers say he was a driver.
Overseas service was from 16/10/1916 to 26/10/1917.
In 1918, he was invalided to England with trench fever and nephritis, and was in hospital in Orpington for 5 weeks..

On 26/10/1917 he was admitted to Ontario Military Hospital, Orpington, Kent, with myalgia. On 01/12/1917 he was in hospital in Epsom, again with myalgia.
He also had influenza from 26/08/1918 to 09/09/1918.
In 1918 and 1919 he was in Kinmel Park Camp, Seaford, Sussex , and Rhyl.

He returned (?) to Canada, arriving at Halifax on 06/02/1919, on the "Carmania".

As at May 4th 1920, he had a daughter aged 15, and his wife Mary Ann was 33.
Prior to enlistment he'd been a road foreman and mason for 20 years.

Last employer: Municipality of Burnaby, BC.
He was insured with Prudential Life, paying $13 per year.

Mary Ann's address is still given as South Zeal, Devon.

He'd had dysentery when he was 18.

In 1919 he received £30 16s 5d in War Service Gratuity.

In 1917 he received 3 days "F P No 1" (some sort of punishment) for disobeying a command of a superior officer."

His address on leave was GPO, Vancouver.
His address on discharge was South Zeal.

He was awarded the War Service Badge, class A.


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 May 2017 00:31

???

Deaths Jun 1965 (>99%)
ABBOTT JAMES 84 Okehampton 7a 408


????
Deaths Sep 1959 (>99%)
ABBOTT Mary A 73 Okehampton 7a 490

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 May 2017 00:36

The daughter's birth:


ABBOTT, AUDREY MARY mms HOLMAN
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in OKEHAMPTON Volume 05B Page 361


James & Mary Ann's marriage:

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
ABBOTT James Okehampton 5b 851
HOLMAN Mary Ann Okehampton 5b 851

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 May 2017 00:38

Audrey Mary Abbott
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Audrey Mary Abbott
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: South Tawton, Devon
Civil Parish: South Tawton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: Town Cottage, South Zeal Nr Okehampton, Devon
Registration district: Okehampton
Registration District Number: 280
Sub-registration district: Tawton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 13165
Household Members:
Name Age
M A Abbott 25
Audrey Mary Abbott 7

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 May 2017 00:39

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
HOLMAN Mary Ann Okehampton 5b 394

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 May 2017 00:44

Audrey M Abbott
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Audrey M Abbott
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1926
Registration district: Okehampton
Inferred County: Devonshire
Spouse: Sidney W J Dyment
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 876


Two sons were born in Okehampton, 1930 and 1933.

Audrey M Dyment
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Audrey M Dyment
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Jun 1944
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Okehampton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 419

MargaretM

MargaretM Report 2 May 2017 14:42

Curious as to why he enlisted in the Canadian Expeditionary Force but enlisted in England. And why was he returned to Canada after the war? Was he in Canada earlier? I can't find him there but he was missing from the 1911 census in England.

Also in Ann's opening post she said that he sailed to New York in 1903 aboard the Campania but that James Abbott was born in Ireland. I'm fairly certain that that's not him.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 2 May 2017 16:00

As he had been working for the Municipality of Burnaby, BC, maybe he had gone out to Canada to work before the war, which would account for his non-appearance in 1911 census.

I don't see any definite travel records, though.

This one might be a possibility, although it says he's a farm labourer. But he's English, and heading for Vancouver. Burnaby is on the outskirts of Vancouver

James Abbott
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: James Abbott
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1881
Date of Arrival: 25 Mar 1911
Vessel: Megantic
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England