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On 2 May 2017 at 00:31 I posted possible deaths for James and his wife Mary Ann in Okehampton, Devon.

Here are that couple in 1939:


James Abbott
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: James Abbott
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1880
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Newberrys
Residence Place: Okehampton, Devon, England
Occupation: Dairy Farmer
Line Number: 12
Schedule Number: 124
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: WHTJ
Borough: Okehampton
Registration district: 280-2
Inferred Spouse:
Mary A Abbott
Household Members Age
James Abbott 59
Mary A Abbott 53 - 17/3/1886
Annie W Lake 59 - 12/12/1880, widow


James's DOB matches that on the Canadian army record posted previously (on 1 May 2017 at 23:56).

Hello I've finally got back to researching James Abbott. I have had information from another source that has him as taking part in the Boer War.

I am of the opinion that he could well have done many things. I am going to follow the line of enquiry that he went back to South Zeal.

I will let you know if I find definite information. thank you for your help so far.

His army records were on Ancestry, Ann.

The lodger at St Mary Magdalene was in the 1901 census, not 1911, but yes, that looks like him, because born in North Hill, and single, as James was at that time.

We can't find him anywhere in 1911, neither in Canada nor UK.

The man on the Campania in 1903 could be him, if the clerk in New York was mistaken in saying he was Irish - maybe he was confused by a Cornish accent ??
The UK Outgoing record of the same man's journey doesn't say he was Irish.

But he would have had to rush back to the UK in time for his wedding.

EDIT:

No, he was definitely Irish, per the NY record, as it give a place of last residence - Dinmull or something like that - hard to read the handwriting. There's also the complication of the Thomas Abbott travelling with him, whose last address was the same place as James, and was possibly a brother.
They were farmers, too.

Oh this is so confusing. You don't think my guy who went to NY in 1903 is my relative? Probably not as mine was definitely born in Coads Green, that much is about all I do know. I remember seeing as a small child a photograph of a serviceman in odd uniform with a funny hat. I wonder where that photo is now and if that was him.

If he married in 1903 was he the lodger at St Mary Magdalen in 1911 census time? Launceston to Okehampton only takes about an hour these days so I guess if he was helping to build that modern church there he may have lodged. The Abbotts all had good Masonery skills and some carpentery skills.

Many thanks for all your most interesting discoveries. I was getting off the bus this morning when I was squizzing through it and just stood in the Bus stop with my mouth open. Where did you get all the information? Anyway many thanks
Ann

No idea, Margaret! Can't find him anywhere.

Could be, ArgyllGran, but where is he on the 1911 Canadian census which was taken June 1st.?

As he had been working for the Municipality of Burnaby, BC, maybe he had gone out to Canada to work before the war, which would account for his non-appearance in 1911 census.

I don't see any definite travel records, though.

This one might be a possibility, although it says he's a farm labourer. But he's English, and heading for Vancouver. Burnaby is on the outskirts of Vancouver

James Abbott
in the Canadian Passenger Lists, 1865-1935
Name: James Abbott
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1881
Date of Arrival: 25 Mar 1911
Vessel: Megantic
Port of Arrival: Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England

Curious as to why he enlisted in the Canadian Expeditionary Force but enlisted in England. And why was he returned to Canada after the war? Was he in Canada earlier? I can't find him there but he was missing from the 1911 census in England.

Also in Ann's opening post she said that he sailed to New York in 1903 aboard the Campania but that James Abbott was born in Ireland. I'm fairly certain that that's not him.

Audrey M Abbott
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Audrey M Abbott
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1926
Registration district: Okehampton
Inferred County: Devonshire
Spouse: Sidney W J Dyment
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 876


Two sons were born in Okehampton, 1930 and 1933.

Audrey M Dyment
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Audrey M Dyment
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Jun 1944
Age at Death: 40
Registration district: Okehampton
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 419

Births Mar 1886 (>99%)
HOLMAN Mary Ann Okehampton 5b 394

Audrey Mary Abbott
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Audrey Mary Abbott
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: South Tawton, Devon
Civil Parish: South Tawton
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street address: Town Cottage, South Zeal Nr Okehampton, Devon
Registration district: Okehampton
Registration District Number: 280
Sub-registration district: Tawton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 13165
Household Members:
Name Age
M A Abbott 25
Audrey Mary Abbott 7

The daughter's birth:


ABBOTT, AUDREY MARY mms HOLMAN
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in OKEHAMPTON Volume 05B Page 361


James & Mary Ann's marriage:

Marriages Dec 1903 (>99%)
ABBOTT James Okehampton 5b 851
HOLMAN Mary Ann Okehampton 5b 851

???

Deaths Jun 1965 (>99%)
ABBOTT JAMES 84 Okehampton 7a 408


????
Deaths Sep 1959 (>99%)
ABBOTT Mary A 73 Okehampton 7a 490

James Abbott
in the Canada, WWI CEF Personnel Files, 1914-1918
Name: James Abbott
Birth Date: 6 Jun 1880
Birth Place: Coads Green North Hill Launceston, Cornwall
Relative: Mary Ann Abbott
Relationship of Relative: Wife
Regimental Number: 45473

As well as all the details posted by MargaretM,
He was 5' 8.5" tall, fair complexion, blue eyes, brown hair.
He had a scar on his right thumb, caused by a cut in childhood..

He was discharged (demobilised) on 26 May 1919 in Vancouver (or at least the papers were signed in Vancouver) having served in France with the Canadian Engineers, as a sapper. Some papers say he was a driver.
Overseas service was from 16/10/1916 to 26/10/1917.
In 1918, he was invalided to England with trench fever and nephritis, and was in hospital in Orpington for 5 weeks..

On 26/10/1917 he was admitted to Ontario Military Hospital, Orpington, Kent, with myalgia. On 01/12/1917 he was in hospital in Epsom, again with myalgia.
He also had influenza from 26/08/1918 to 09/09/1918.
In 1918 and 1919 he was in Kinmel Park Camp, Seaford, Sussex , and Rhyl.

He returned (?) to Canada, arriving at Halifax on 06/02/1919, on the "Carmania".

As at May 4th 1920, he had a daughter aged 15, and his wife Mary Ann was 33.
Prior to enlistment he'd been a road foreman and mason for 20 years.

Last employer: Municipality of Burnaby, BC.
He was insured with Prudential Life, paying $13 per year.

Mary Ann's address is still given as South Zeal, Devon.

He'd had dysentery when he was 18.

In 1919 he received £30 16s 5d in War Service Gratuity.

In 1917 he received 3 days "F P No 1" (some sort of punishment) for disobeying a command of a superior officer."

His address on leave was GPO, Vancouver.
His address on discharge was South Zeal.

He was awarded the War Service Badge, class A.

Possible marriage for that James?


James Abbott
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1837-1915
Name:
James Abbott
Registration Year:
1903
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district:
Okehampton
Inferred County:
Devon
Volume
5b
Page:
851

Records on Page:

James Abbott
William George Conibear
Mary Ann Holman
Emily Ann Langmead
James Henry Roberts

This James Abbott enlisted for WW1 in Canadian Expeditionary Force but he enlisted in England. He was born 6 June 1880, Coads Green, North Hill, Launceston, Cornwall. He was a mason, next-of-kin was wife Mary Ann in South Zeal, Okehampton, Devonshire. He enlisted at Shorncliffe, Engand 6 July, 1916.


James Abbott
in the Canada, Soldiers of the First World War, 1914-1918
Name:
James Abbott
Birth Date:
6 Jun 1880
Birth Location:
Coads Green North Hill Launceston, Cornwall
Relative:
Mary Ann Abbott
Relationship:
Wife
Regiment Number:
45473

My James Parents were Thomas Rockey Abbott Born Tetcott Devon and Prudence.
Do you have any link to him?

ABBOTT, JAMES MMN DYMOND
GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in LAUNCESTON Volume 05C Page 32

Or this one??

Fathers a Gamekeeper

in the 1881 England Census
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Name: James Henry Abbott
Age: 4
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: William Abbott
Mother: Susan Abbott
Gender: Male
Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Austell
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address: Molingy

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2302
Folio: 38
Page Number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
William Abbott 41
Susan Abbott 34
Johanna Abbott 69
William Samuel Abbott 8
Joseph Francis Abbott 5
James Henry Abbott 4
Ephelinda Abbott 2
Catherine Ellen Abbott

1891
Name: James H Abbott
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Abbott
Mother's name: Susan J Abbott
Gender: Male
Where born: St Austell, Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Austell
Ecclesiastical parish: St Austell
Town: Molingey
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Austell
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1822
Folio: 148
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Abbott 51
Susan J Abbott 42
William S Abbott 18 Brother William is a masons apprentice.
James H Abbott 14<<<
Ethelinda J Abbott 12
Catherine E Abbott 10
William H Wood 16

O wrong year of birth on that one.