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Kay ......

I know!!

I started off by looking for Daniels births in Manchester :-(

If the passenger list entry is Mary J then between 1909 and 1911 she entered the *home* which was run by nuns of catholic faith,,,,,if a baby was involved there GRO shows 53 Daniles birth in Manchester,1909--1911.

Granny Cook may not have been a relative at all, but just a family friend given "granny" as a courtesy title.

Kay ............

i honestly don't think she would be shown as "inmate" on the 1911 Census if that were the case.

Inmate implies someone who is not willingly there.

In your scenario, she might have been more liable to be called "lay sister" or similar.

Plus she travelled to the UK with her parents.

sistersofthegoodshepherd.com/ministries-at-a-glance/

would these hold any archived material.?one is based in Baltimore Maryland.

also the history.

gssmaryland.org/about-us/history/


As Nuns moved around from place to place perhaps Mary J came with them as a younger woman to help in the Manchester one.?

Great grandma was definitely black as was great grandfather. My mother told me that twentyyears ago. This great granny cook of ours has me perplexed also as I. Cannot place her in any of therecordsi have. Everything you all have kindly come up with have comeup with also. It I shall do this tory and find out more about grandma. At least what I have now is a hundred percent more then what iid have thank you

Mary Josephine....

The US did not declare war on Germany until April 1917 so they would not have been in the First Battle of the Somme...The US II Corps. did take part in the 2nd Battle Feb-Aug 1918.but whether any Black Soldiers took part I have no idea.

"Mums dad was an American serviceman who was killed on the Somme"

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/690d7468-800f-414d-9dc4-1e22cc429b09

(Registers of Births in the Workhouse
This record is held by West Sussex Record Office)

(above Record Office may hold Admission/Discharge Records)

Chris :)

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/EastPreston/

(from 1904 to protect them from disadvantage in later life, the birth certificates for those born in the workhouse, gave it's address just as North View, East Preston)

OR does great grandma belong to Mary Louise's father?

Mary, something's not right-

If your Grandmother, Mary Josephine Daniels, was born 1886, then it is unlikely your Great Grandmother (mother of Mary J) died in 1974.

Are you sure that Mary J was black? Could it be that she was white and had a relationship with a black American serviceman.

No idea of great grandma's first name. When we were children we went to visit this old lady that mum said was granny cook.we assumed she was our grandmother but since she was white and grandma was black we realised this was our great grandmother. She lived in Ealing.she died about 1974. Mums dad was an American serviceman who was killed on the somme. Fami!y definitely American as my mother used to say about it. Was the youngest of the children so can remember bits and pieces. I think you all for your help and ideas which I will follow through with all of them. Am now going to look for her birth stateside. Once again thank you all.

Austin posted ..........

Seems to be the same family going to US in 1908 so may not be yours:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: New York

William E Daniel 5 Sep 1908 50 Male
Minnie Daniel Wife 5 Sep 1908 46 Female
Mary J Daniel Dau. 5 Sep 1908 21 Female

I've just looked at the image, and it says they are US Citizens, travelling First Class

The 1911 image definitely says Baltimore, America.

It also says Resident, after the birthplace, which is the same for all the other non-English-born women on the list.

But maybe the person who filled in the form (Sidney Walter Wiggins) didn't know there was any other Baltimore.

Daniels surname has Irish roots.

Could it be Baltimore in West Cork Ireland and not USA.?

Mary, I'm sorry to keep asking questions, but you said your mother was brought up by your Great Grandmother- Do you know your great Grandmother's name?

On my grandmother's census it says laundress and on my mother's birth certificate it says laundress . North view East Preston was a workhouse. I am presuming Grandma moved there. Will look further back for any children that Grandma had but never spoke about

Mary Josephine .............

The Magdalene Homes/Laundries were for "fallen girls" who were made to pay for their sins by being worked hard by the nuns.

"Fallen girls" included poor girls who had illegitimate babies ....... and thus the fact that your grandmother was in one in 1911 might mean that there is at least one child born between 1909 and 1911.

your mother's birth

Births Jun 1916   (>99%)

Daniels
 Mary L
 Daniels
 E.Preston
 2b
582

For reference:

1939
Convent Of The Good Shepherd East End Road , Finchley M.B., Middlesex, England
Mary L Daniels Inmate 21 Apr 1916 Female Laundry Work Single

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Do you know the name of your great grandmother?

Thank you everyone my grandmother was at the Manchester place you mention. My mother told me that my grandmother never put my grandfather's name on the birth certificate because he was killed in the first world war. He was coloured as was my grandmother was also. My grandmother must have moved to north view east Preston workhouse as that is where my mother was born. She is Mary louise Daniels April 21st 1916. My mother said she had a brother called Richard who was either two years older or two years younger then her.she said he got sent to America. I am now trying to trace her journey from Baltimore to here and her years between 1911 and Her death. My mother did say. Something about them being buried in Hastings but she was raised by my great grandmother so unsure. My mother would never talk to us about her life so it's like getting blood from a stone. Mum died November 9th 2000