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My grandmother was born in Baltimore USA and somehow landed up in1911in the workhouse run by the sisters of the good shepherd in Manchester England. How to track her whereBouts between her birth date and 1911 would be of help. Mainly on this site till 3rd December k thank you

Who does she list as her father on her marriage certificate?

UK, Incoming Passenger Lists

Name: Mary J Daniels
Birth Date: abt 1887
Age: 22
Nationality: USA
Port of Departure: New York, New York, United States
Arrival Date: 17 Jul 1909
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ship Name: St Paul
Shipping line: American Line
Official Number: 116693

Travelling with
W.E Daniels (Clerk) 45
Minnie Daniels (wife) 43

Mary


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For helper information ...........

1911 Census

Name: Mary Josephine Daniels
Age in 1911: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Relation to Head: Inmate
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Baltimore, United States
Civil Parish: North Manchester
Search Photos: Search for 'North Manchester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Laundress
Registration district: Prestwich
Registration District Number: 467
Sub-registration district: Blackley
ED, institution, or vessel: 19-20
Piece: 24232

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Catherine Kenyon 20
Mary Josephine Daniels 25
Selena Bicksiell 19
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It's interesting looking at the image ............... all women, mainly late teens to 50's, most single but some widows and a few married, from all over England and other parts of the world ...... I saw someone from Marseille, France, another from Manilla in the Phillipines who spoke Spanish. All shown as Workers ......... Seamstresses, Laundresses, Domestic Workers etc

NOT the typical Work House listing!


It's NOT the Workhouse ........................

It's the Magdalen Asylum, Convent of the Good Shepherd, Litchfield Hall, Blackley, Manchester

and it seems to be associated with Booth Hall Infirmary, Charlestown Road, Blackley, Manchester.

Looking at the jobs listed for the women, I would guess that the Magdalen Asylum inmates provided domestic services such as laundry and such to the Infirmary


Unfortunately, Magdalen Asylums aka Magdalen Laundries have a very bad reputation for their treatment of the women who found themselves there.

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Seems to be the same family going to US in 1908 so may not be yours:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: New York

William E Daniel 5 Sep 1908 50 Male
Minnie Daniel Wife 5 Sep 1908 46 Female
Mary J Daniel Dau. 5 Sep 1908 21 Female
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Might just be a coincidence in names- born Michigan?

1900 United States Federal Census
Name: Josephine Daniel
Age: 13
Birth Date: Jun 1886
Birthplace: Michigan
Home in 1900: Calumet, Houghton, Michigan
Race: White
Gender: Female
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Marital Status: Single
Father's name: William E Daniel
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's name: Minnie Daniel
Mother's Birthplace: England
Household Members:
Name Age
William E Daniel 44
Minnie Daniel 40
Josephine Daniel 13

In the 1909 incoming record for the Daniels family, posted by AustinQ, it says they held tickets for onward travel to St Agnes, which, from a quick Google search, seems to be in Cornwall - so another reason why maybe not them.

Yeh, I did see that ArgyllGran- sloppy of me not to include it- thanks for adding

It's a bit hard to search without further information.

Thank you everyone my grandmother was at the Manchester place you mention. My mother told me that my grandmother never put my grandfather's name on the birth certificate because he was killed in the first world war. He was coloured as was my grandmother was also. My grandmother must have moved to north view east Preston workhouse as that is where my mother was born. She is Mary louise Daniels April 21st 1916. My mother said she had a brother called Richard who was either two years older or two years younger then her.she said he got sent to America. I am now trying to trace her journey from Baltimore to here and her years between 1911 and Her death. My mother did say. Something about them being buried in Hastings but she was raised by my great grandmother so unsure. My mother would never talk to us about her life so it's like getting blood from a stone. Mum died November 9th 2000

For reference:

1939
Convent Of The Good Shepherd East End Road , Finchley M.B., Middlesex, England
Mary L Daniels Inmate 21 Apr 1916 Female Laundry Work Single

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Do you know the name of your great grandmother?

your mother's birth

Births Jun 1916   (>99%)

Daniels
 Mary L
 Daniels
 E.Preston
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Mary Josephine .............

The Magdalene Homes/Laundries were for "fallen girls" who were made to pay for their sins by being worked hard by the nuns.

"Fallen girls" included poor girls who had illegitimate babies ....... and thus the fact that your grandmother was in one in 1911 might mean that there is at least one child born between 1909 and 1911.

On my grandmother's census it says laundress and on my mother's birth certificate it says laundress . North view East Preston was a workhouse. I am presuming Grandma moved there. Will look further back for any children that Grandma had but never spoke about

Mary, I'm sorry to keep asking questions, but you said your mother was brought up by your Great Grandmother- Do you know your great Grandmother's name?

Daniels surname has Irish roots.

Could it be Baltimore in West Cork Ireland and not USA.?

The 1911 image definitely says Baltimore, America.

It also says Resident, after the birthplace, which is the same for all the other non-English-born women on the list.

But maybe the person who filled in the form (Sidney Walter Wiggins) didn't know there was any other Baltimore.

Austin posted ..........

Seems to be the same family going to US in 1908 so may not be yours:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: New York

William E Daniel 5 Sep 1908 50 Male
Minnie Daniel Wife 5 Sep 1908 46 Female
Mary J Daniel Dau. 5 Sep 1908 21 Female

I've just looked at the image, and it says they are US Citizens, travelling First Class

No idea of great grandma's first name. When we were children we went to visit this old lady that mum said was granny cook.we assumed she was our grandmother but since she was white and grandma was black we realised this was our great grandmother. She lived in Ealing.she died about 1974. Mums dad was an American serviceman who was killed on the somme. Fami!y definitely American as my mother used to say about it. Was the youngest of the children so can remember bits and pieces. I think you all for your help and ideas which I will follow through with all of them. Am now going to look for her birth stateside. Once again thank you all.

Mary, something's not right-

If your Grandmother, Mary Josephine Daniels, was born 1886, then it is unlikely your Great Grandmother (mother of Mary J) died in 1974.

Are you sure that Mary J was black? Could it be that she was white and had a relationship with a black American serviceman.

OR does great grandma belong to Mary Louise's father?

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/690d7468-800f-414d-9dc4-1e22cc429b09

(Registers of Births in the Workhouse
This record is held by West Sussex Record Office)

(above Record Office may hold Admission/Discharge Records)

Chris :)

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/EastPreston/

(from 1904 to protect them from disadvantage in later life, the birth certificates for those born in the workhouse, gave it's address just as North View, East Preston)