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(relates above to Dahlia)

Chris :)

I'm fairly confident that Rosetta is the daughter of John & Martha and that Dahlia is her illegitimate daughter.

I will let you all know, finding this family rather confusing , to many with the same name.

Do let us know how you get on. Hopefully you may get a father's name on the certificate but I'm inclined to think it will just have Rosetta as mother.

Thanls for help, think I will have to splash the cash and send for a birth cert for Dahlia so to be certain of her parents

Thanks again

Rosetta is the daughter of John and Martha.



1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

32, Friday Street, St Margarets, Leicester, Leicestershire, England



John Pole Head Married Male 31 1830 ... Belgrave, Leicestershire, England
Martha Pole Wife Married Female 30 1831 - Rothley, Leicestershire, England
Lettie Pole Daughter - Female 10 1851 - Rothley, Leicestershire, England
Frank Pole Son - Male 8 1853 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Charles Pole Son - Male 7 1854 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Eliza Pole Daughter - Female 5 1856 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
George Pole Son - Male 2 1859 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England
Rosetta Pole Daughter - Female 0 1861 - Leicester, Leicestershire, England

This says Dahlia was Reginald's mother :

Reginald Cyril War??
in the British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920
Name: Reginald Cyril War??
Birth Date: 15 Jan 1914
Birth Place: Leicester
Relationship to Soldier: Child <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Form Title: Military History Sheet
Number of Images: 4
Other Records:
Family Members:
Name Relation to Soldier
War?? Self (Head) [Alfred Ernest Warner]
Dahlia Pole Spouse
Reginald Cyril War?? Child <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


Alfred had a fresh complexion, hazel eyes, brown hair; was 5' 8.5" tall, and weighed 140 lbs.

Date of marriage: 13/04/1911, by E H Wynne, vicar.

Reginald's DOB: 15/01/1914

And Reginald's birth cert will confirm his parents' names:

Births Mar 1914 (>99%)
WARNER Reginald C Pole Leicester 7a 333

Thanks MargaretM I think you may have hit the nail on the head so as to speak, I have wondered for some time if she was.

Rosetta I will look on previous census but I'm sure I have found her on before and she if John and Martha's daughter, that being so she would be Rosetta Pole.

I wonder if this is Dahlia in 1939, not that it helps with her parentage. I'm pretty sure it's been mistranscribed.




Warren Household (2 People)
1 Coventry Road , Lutterworth R.D., Leicestershire, England




Dahlia Warren 26 Sep 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 212 2
Alfred E Warren 10 Mar 1888 Male Upholstere Journeyman Married 212 1



and Reginald C.

Warner Household (2 People)
39 Beauchamp Road , Warwick M.B., Warwickshire, England


Reginald C Warner 15 Jan 1914 Male Con Stores Manageress Married 153 1
Kathleen L Warner 10 Nov 1914 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 153 2

Re Dahlia & Alfred (not Arthur) , you say,
" Wonder if they could have married at St Peters Belgrave Leicester."

Their marriage cert will tell you.

Marriages Jun 1911 (>99%)
Pole Dahlia Leicester 7a 467
Warner Alfred E Leicester 7a 467

It seems that Dahlia did marry Alfred Ernest Warner and not Arthur.

Dahlia Pole

in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915


Name: Dahlia Pole
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Leicester
Parishes for this Registration District: Search for Leicester in the London Times
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 467
Records on Page:
Name
Grace E Abbott
William M Dickment
Dahlia Pole
Alfred E Warner

Why not send for her birth certificate?

Dahlia Pole

in the England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915


Name: Dahlia Pole
Registration Year: 1881
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Leicester
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 199

Charles Henry Pole married Lucy Ludlam, they had Charles1881, Beatrice 1883 and ethel 1885.

A tree on Ancestry says that Dahlia Pole (1881-1966) married Alfred Ernest Warner (1888-1968) and had son Reginald Cyril Warner (1914-1991).

It says that Dahlia was the daughter of Rosetta Pole (1860-1930) and that Rosetta was the daughter of John Pole (1829-1907)

The 1911 above has Rosetta as being a widow and having been married for 30 years. Here she is in 1891 as single and staying with her sister.



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

Wilne Street, Leicester, Leicestershire, England




Eliza Fielding Head Widow Female 34 1857 Shoe Machinist Leicestershire, England
Elizabeth Fielding Daughter Single Female 13 1878 - Leicestershire, England
Rosetta Pole Sister Single Female 31 1860 Shoe Machinist Leicestershire, England


I can't find a marriage of Rosetta Pole to a Mr Pole so I wonder if she was just saying she had been widowed?

Have just received message Charles, Beatrice and Ethel are children of Charles
Henry and Lucy Ludlam. Dahlia has been added as their child on some members trees and when contacted have said its because she is down as granddaughter of John Pole on the 1891 census. They are down as visitors, my query is that John has other children and Dahlia could be their daughter.

Sorry thinking ahead and not typing who Reginald C Warner is, I think he is the son of

dahlia who married an Arthur Warner. Wonder is they could have married at

St Peters Belgrave Leicester.

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
63 Acorn St Leicester, Leicester, Leicestershire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Rosetta Pole Head Widow Female - 50 1861 Leicestershire Leicester
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Dalilia Pole Daughter Single Female Stock Room 29 1882 Leicestershire Leicester
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John Pole Son Single Male Drayman Brewers 18 1893 Leicestershire Leicester
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Vera Anderson Visitor - Female - 4 1907 Leicestershire Leicester

Who did Charles marry please? Are Charles, Beatrice and Jack children of Charles 1854?