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Is it possible that anyone is able to find me a marriage certificate for a Mr Greenman and a Miss Freese. They had 5 children Harold 1914, Ralph 1916, Elsa 1918, Doris 1920 and Jean 1926.

Thank you in advance

George

can you give a location please

cant find a marriage but found 2 children born cardiff the mothers name is spelt freeze

could this be Harold?

Name Harold James Greenman
Event Type Death Registration
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1995
Registration District Manchester
County Lancashire
Event Place Manchester, Lancashire, England
Birth Date (available after June quarter 1969) 19 Mar 1914
Volume 0061J
Page J53B

Yes location may possibly be Wales Ann. In Cardiff.

George

for ref
Elsa G Greenman

in the England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005
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Name: Elsa G Greenman
Mother's Maiden Surname: Freese
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1918
Registration district: Cardiff
Inferred County: Wales
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 709

There are six children to this couple born between 1914 and 1922- all born Cardiff.

Could you tell me the other child I missed please Austin.

???? 1939 Register

Greenman Household (7 People)
28 Alexander Street , Cardiff C.B., Glamorganshire, Wales

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Doris (E) Jones (Greenman) 27 Apr 1920 Female Shop Assistantstores Single
Charles W Greenman 20 Apr 1886 Male Locomotive Fitterrailwayheavy Work Married
Lena S Greenman 13 Jan 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Harold F Greenman 29 Mar 1914 Male General-Sheet Metal Worker (Unemployed) Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Thelma M Brown (Greenman) 24 Aug 1922 Female Shop Assistantstores Single
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

If correct, then the parents might be Charles W Greenman 1886 and Lena S 1893
They are the first 2 listed on the image which usually indicates the household head and his spouse

Thelma born 1922

Looks good Det

http://tinyurl.com/hz8qem4

Charles Worthy Greenman

mentioned in the record of Charles Worthy Greenman and Helena Sophia Freese

Name Charles Worthy Greenman
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 02 Aug 1911
Event Place Durban, Natal, South Africa
Gender Male
Age 23
Birth Year (Estimated) 1888
Spouse's Name Helena Sophia Freese
Spouse's Gender Female
Spouse's Age 22
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1889

South Africa, Natal Province, Civil Marriages, 1845-1955

Reference ID 1202
GS Film number 1795204
Digital Folder Number 004236461
Image Number 00225

Chas Worthy Greenman
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960

travelling with Mrs Helene Greenman and Beatrice Greenma

Name: Chas Worthy Greenman (Policeman)

Birth Date: abt 1888

Age: 25

Port of Departure: Delagoa Bay, Mozambique

Arrival Date: 8 May 1913

Port of Arrival: Southampton, England

Ship Name: Guildford Castle

Shipping line:Union-Castle Mail Steamship Company Ltd

Official Number:132611

Thank you Austin. Could the Lena S Greenman in the 1939 Register be the Miss Freese , DetEcTive.

Could be- Choccy's put the marriage up for you- it was in South Africa. Her name was Helena

Births Jun 1886 (>99%)
Greenman Charles Worthy Malmesbury 5a 60

Glamorgan Baptisms Transcription
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First name(s) HAROLD FREDERICK
Last name GREENMAN
Birth year 1914
Baptism year 1914
Baptism day 3
Baptism month May
Baptism place CARDIFF, ST TEILO
Father's first name(s) Charles Worthy
Mother's first name(s) Helena Sophia
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Record set Glamorgan Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
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Welsh Archive Services / Gwasanaethau Archifau Cymru

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Town, Hullavington, Malmesbury, Wiltshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Ambrose Greenman Head Married Male 44 1857 Stone Mason Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
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Ellen Greenman Wife Married Female 36 1865 - Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
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Charles W Greenman Son Single Male 14 1887 Fireman On Locomotive Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
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Ernest W Greenman Son Single Male 13 1888 Fatting Wagons On Ry Works Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
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Ellen B Greenman Daughter Single Female 11 1890 - Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
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Harold J Greenman Son Single Male 5 1896 - Hullavington, Wiltshire, England
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Hubert J Greenman Son Single Male 4 1897 - Hullavington, Wiltshire, England

Would imagine 'Lena S Greenman' is Helena Sophia Freese

Quite possibly - Choccy's S African marriage says her name is Helena Sophia.
Lena S is a derivation of that.

If you've been working backwards, then you may already know the full dob of at least one child which would match with the 1939 register. The surnames eg Brown & Jones are the ones they were using when they died.

There are notes in the margin against both girls names
22.4.42 against Doris
27.12.48 against Thelma.
They are likely to have married shortly before then and their ID or NHS cards updated with their new surnames.

Thank you Chocky. Is what a bird ???