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Have just had a look through through Church Records and found this. May be worth holding onto for future ref...


Marriage of JOSEPH KEEGAN of CLONDALKIN and ANNE FARRELL of CLONDALKIN

Parents : Bart.Keegan and Mary Keegan
Lawrence Farrell and Bessie Carroll



on 14 September 1863

Parish/Church/Congregation - CLONDALKIN

Area - DUBLIN (RC)

Francisco? - really!!
How many folks in Ireland were called Francisco, or Josephus (like his godfather), or Patricius (like the kid baptized after him) - see:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.catherine_baptisms_mf_1811-1880_ba_0574

As you can guess from the baptismal register headings, Irish RC ceremonies were conducted in Latin in the 19th cent (and most of 20th), and these included latinized forms of the forenames (with appropriate grammatical case endings - note his dad appears as Francisci - not Franciscus. Anglo-Saxon nouns (like modern German) had case endings, but modern English has almost lost them - only the possessive case ending (the apostrophe s) remains, although pronouns proved more resistant - e.g., the first person singular pronoun still has several case forms - I, me, myself, my, mine).



A couple of kms W of Trinity College:
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3150252

Rathmines parish church, 1km to S of St Catherine's
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/3649


I think Francis & Elijah are the same person - Malcolium

Hello mgnv, the story in the family was that Elizabeth came over from Rathmines with Thomas (no husband was mentioned) interestingly, are there two different "husbands" one called Francisco Forde in Dublin and an English husband called Elijah Ford? perhaps the first husband died and Elizabeth met up with Elijah?

Thank you to all who have helped with the research :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

mgnv is the one to thank..I would have still been looking for Elijah !!! Still cannot fathom out why he used a different name and what was a "Potter" doing living/working in the Liberties..(the area of Dublin where St Catherines is situated)

Eringobragh1916 - thank you! So kind of you to get this information for me, I can't thank you enough xxxxx :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

St Catherine's....



Name
ELIZABETH FORDE

Date of Birth
7 March 1865

Address
LOVE LANE

Father
FRANCISCO FORDE

Mother
ELIZABETH FANELL

Further details in the record



Sponsor 1
JOANNES

Sponsor 2
MARIA SWORDS

Priest
J DANIEL

Thank You mgnv....spent ages looking for Elijah...!!!

Now the probable Baptism of Thomas Francis...surely it must be him..!!!

St Catherines RC Church Dublin

Name
THOMAS FRANCISCUS FORDE

Date of Birth
29 November 1863

Address
BLOOKFIELD LOVE LANE

Father
FRANCISCI FORDE

Mother
ELIZABETH FARRELL

Further details in the record



Sponsor 1
JOSEPHUS KEEGAN

Sponsor 2
ANNA KEEGAN

Priest
M A FRICKER

Hello mgnv, you have the information I needed, thank you so much, Rathmines is the area we were told the family are from, you a such a star! xxx :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)

Thank you to AnnCardiff for all the family information, very kind of you :-) :-) :-)

It's always worth supplementing the GRO index with a local index, if one is available - see:
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

This is a marr of Forde & Eliz Farrell in Co Dublin 1/2/1863, but his forename's given as Francis (Latinized), not Elijah:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/58fe9d0011549
Marriage of FRANCISCUS FORDE of STAFFORDSHIRE IN AUGLIA and ELIZABETH FARRELL of RATHMINES on 1 February 1863
Husband Wife
Name FRANCISCUS FORDE ELIZABETH FARRELL
Address STAFFORDSHIRE IN AUGLIA RATHMINES
Occupation N/R N/R
Father THOMAE FORDE LAURENTII FARRELL
Mother ANNAE WILDNEY ELIZABETH CARROLL
Further details in the record
Priest COLLIER
Witness 1 JOSEPHO KEEGAN
Witness 2 ANNA FARRELL
About the record
Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename
N/R N/R 1092 DU-RC-MA-74853 rathmines_mf_1823-1886_ma_0358

image:
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=rathmines_mf_1823-1886_ma_0358

Rathmines is now a suburb of Dublin, abt 3km S of the city centre - I don't know what its status was in 1863.

Thomas Ford Head M 55 Burslem, Staffordshire
Ann Ford Wife F 46 Hall Green, Cheshire
Henry Ford Son M 18 Burslem, Staffordshire
Hannah Ford Daughter F 16 Burslem, Staffordshire
Mary Ford Daughter F 14 Burslem, Staffordshire
William Ford Son M 10 Burslem, Staffordshire
Elizabeth Ford Daughter F 7 Burslem, Staffordshire

Ann Belfield

England and Wales Marriage Registration Index

Name Ann Belfield
Event Type Marriage
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Registration Year 1839
Registration District Stoke Upon Trent
County Staffordshire
Event Place Stoke Upon Trent, Staffordshire, England
Volume 17
Page 159
Line Number 60

Ann Belfield probably married one of the following people
Name Thomas Ford

Name Ann Bellfield
Gender Female
Christening Date 29 Aug 1819
Christening Place St. John's, Burslem, Stafford, England
Father's Name Ralph Bellfield
Mother's Name Ann

Elijah Ford

England and Wales Census, 1841

Name Elijah Ford
Event Type Census
Event Date 1841
Event Place Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Residence Note Church Street
Gender Male
Age 1
Age (Original) 1
Birth Year (Estimated) 1840
Birthplace Staffordshire
Registration District Wolstanton & Burslem
Book Number 8
Parish Burslem
County Staffordshire
Page Number 20
Registration Number HO107
Piece/Folio 987/35
Affiliate Record Type Household

Ralph Belfield M 60-64 Staffordshire
Andrew Belfield M 15-19
Mary Belfield F 15-19 Staffordshire
Thomas Ford M 20-24 Staffordshire
Ann Ford F 20-24 Staffordshire
Elijah Ford M 1 Staffordshire

Name Elijah Ford
Gender Male
Christening Date 07 Nov 1841
Christening Place Tunstall (near Stoke-upon-Trent), Stafford, England
Father's Name Thomas Ford
Mother's Name Anne

Name Elijah Ford
Gender Male
Burial Date 18 Sep 1881
Burial Place St. Paul, Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Age 41
Birth Date 1840

Name Elijah Ford
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Registration District Wolstanton
Residence Note Navigation Street
Gender Male
Age 40
Marital Status (Original) Married
Occupation Potter
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1841
Birthplace Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Page Number 18
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2714/43
Affiliate Record Type Household


Elijah Ford Head M 40 Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Ford Wife F 39 Dublin, Ireland
Thomas Ford Son M 18 Dublin, Ireland
Arthur Ford Son M 9 Burslem, Staffordshire, England
Mary Ford Daughter F 7 Burslem, Staffordshire, England

Name Arthur J Ford
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Staffordshire
Parish Burslem Fegg Hayes Tunstall Newport
Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHNS
Registration District Wolstanton
Residence Note Navigation Street
Gender Male
Age 18
Marital Status Single
Occupation Groom
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Birth Year (Estimated) 1873
Birthplace Staffordshire, England
Page Number 19
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 2163/ 46


Elizabeth Ford Head F 53 Dublin
Thomas F Ford Son M 27 Dublin
Arthur J Ford Son M 18 Staffordshire, England

Hello Enngobragh1916 and thank you, I am now looking up the website :-) :-) :-) :-)

Hello, yes, this is Mary in the 1901 census, she also had a daughter called Mary who was born in 1874 and died in 1886. :-)