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Mia

Mia Report 6 Oct 2015 10:46

hi,
i was wondering if anyone could help me please i am trying to find my nan's side of the family but i am a bit stuck now.

her dad's side all i know is:
his name: thomas a stanley born 1899 and died 1980
fathers name: arthur watson stanley
his mothers name: Lily Eleanor ( not sure of maiden name)
his sister: Lily (i know she died at age 30)
his brothers: george and fred


her mum's side all i know is:
her name: edith waring born 1904 and died 1985
her mothers name: Joanna (not sure of maiden name)
her fathers name was: thomas waring
sisters: claire, Elizabeth ( known as Lil) may and flo
brothers: george and fred

safc

safc Report 6 Oct 2015 10:57


England & Wales marriages 1837-2008 Transcription
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First name(s) ARTHUR WATSON
Last name STANLEY
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1899
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ARTHUR WATSON STANLEY married one of these people
LILY HELENA WYNN, ELIZABETH JONES
District WIRRAL
District number -
County Cheshire
Country England
Volume 8A
Page 617
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

Mia

Mia Report 6 Oct 2015 11:00

i think it lily helena wynn my mum must of got the middle name wrong cause when i search it came up with her xx

safc

safc Report 6 Oct 2015 11:02


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
43, Thomas Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Arthur Stanley Head Married Male 48 1853 Coal Carter Plymouth, Devon, England
Transcription
Lily Stanley Wife Married Female 23 1878 - Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Transcription
Thomas Stanley Son - Male 2 1899 - Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales

safc

safc Report 6 Oct 2015 11:05


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
64 Moorland Road Birkenhead, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Arthur Stanley Head Married Male General Carter 45 1866 Rutland Mercott
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Lily Eleanor Stanley Wife Married Female - 36 1875 Wrexham Sumerhill
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Thomas Stanley Son - Male - 11 1900 Wrexham Sumerhill
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Lily Stanley Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Wrexham Sumerhill
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Lea Stanley Son - Male - 0 1911 Birkenhead
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Leargee Stanley Son - Male - 0 1911 Birkenhead

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Oct 2015 11:14

1911 - but perhaps not - Wrong name for the mother
Name: Edith Waring
Age in 1911: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1904
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 2 Dale Street Birkenhead
Registration district: Birkenhead

Thomas Georgh (George) Waring 38 - Property Repairer
Mary Jane Waring 34
Clara Waring 14
Florence Waring 10
Edith Waring 7
George Waring 5
May Waring 2
Elizabeth Waring 11/12

Married 15 years - 6 children born alive, all living. Everyone born in Birkenhead

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Oct 2015 11:14

from a tree on ancestry, treat with caution

Arthur
Birth
1865
Abt.
Morcott, Rutland, England
1 Source
Marriage
1899
Jan
Age: 34
Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 46
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Death
1929
Sep
Age: 64
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Lilly
Birth
1878
Abt.
Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 3
Gresford, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 13
Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Marriage
1899
Jan
Age: 21
Wirral, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1901
Age: 23
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 33
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 33
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Residence
1911
2 Apr
Age: 33
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
1 Source
Death
1945
Jul
Age: 67
Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

her father
Thomas1841
Jul
Holywell, Flintshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1841
Eglwysfach, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1851
Age: 10
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1861
Age: 20
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Marriage
1870
7 Sep
Age: 29
St John, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
1 Source
Residence
1871
Age: 30
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1871
Age: 30
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Gresford, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1901
Age: 60
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
2 Sources
Death
1920
Jun
Age: 78
Ormskirk, Lancashire, England

mother Hrriett - no surname



Residence
1871
Age: 30
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1871
Age: 30
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1881
Age: 40
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1891
Age: 50
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
1 Source
Residence
1901
Age: 60
Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire, Wales
Death
1907
Jun
Age: 66
Brook Street, Rhosymedre, Denbighshire, Wales

Arthurs children

Thomas Stanley
1900 –


Lily May Stanley
1904 – 1935

Frederick Stanley
1911 – 1987

George Stanley
1911 – 1962

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Oct 2015 11:21

Can you give us a clue about where the events occured? safc has worked out the marriage took place in the Wirral - do you remember anything else?

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Oct 2015 11:28

The only 2 births in 1904 for Edith Waring

Births Mar 1904 (>99%)
WARING Edith Birkenhead 8a 495

Births Dec 1904 (>99%)
WARING Edith Neath 11a 976

If you know her date of birth, it would be easy to work out the correct one
Mar is for births reg in Jan, Feb or Mar and may include someone born in late Nov/Dec the previous year.
Dec is for births reg Oct, Nov or Dec, and agains may include someone born late Aug/Sep the same year.
Parents have 6 weeks to register a birth

If we can't find an exact fit for the 1911 census, we'd advise purchasing the most appropriate BC from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ at a cost of £9.25

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Oct 2015 11:30

is this Lily

Name: Lily May Stanley
Registration Year: 1904
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Birkenhead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 524

Name: John A Hopkins
Spouse Surname: Stanley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 1366
Find Spouse: Lily M Stanley
Name: Lily M Hopkins
Birth Date: abt 1904
Date of Registration: Dec 1935
Age at Death: 31
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 643

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Oct 2015 11:32

If you think the Birkenhead birth is most likely, this is her registratiion from the local registry

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1904
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
WARING Edith Birkenhead Wirral HANLEY BIR/221/3

So mother's maiden name HANLEY

Maddie

Maddie Report 6 Oct 2015 11:36

Fred
Name: Frederick Stanley
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Birkenhead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 499

Name: Frederick Stanley
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1911
Date of Registration: Jan 1987
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 37
Page: 911
Name: Frederick Stanley
Birth Date: 21 Mar 1911
Date of Registration: Jan 1987
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 37
Page: 911

George

Name: George Stanley
Registration Year: 1911
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration district: Birkenhead
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 499

Name: George Stanley
Birth Date: abt 1911
Date of Registration: Dec 1962
Age at Death: 51
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 88


Mia

Mia Report 6 Oct 2015 11:52

I know edith waring was born in birrkenhead and her husband was born in wrexham

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 6 Oct 2015 11:52

Just in case the Waring 1911 census is correct:

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name: Thomas George Waring
Probate Date: 14 Dec 1955
Registry: Liverpool, England
Death Date: 12 Jun 1953
Death Place: Birkenhead

Waring, Thomas George of 12 Holt Road, Birkenhead, died 12 June 1953 Probate Liverpool 14 December to George Waring garage proprietor and Charles Waring omnibus driver
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Death index:
Name: Thomas G Waring
Birth Date: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Jun 1953
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Birkenhead
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a Page: 72

safc

safc Report 6 Oct 2015 11:52


Diocese of Chester parish registers of marriages c1538-1910 Transcription
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First name(s) Mary Jane
Last name Hanley
Age 22y
Marriage year 1895
Marriage date 26 Aug 1895
Marriage place Birkenhead
Parish St. Mary
Spouse's first name(s) Thomas George
Spouse's last name Waring
Spouse's age 19y
Bride's father's name John Hanley
City or town Birkenhead
County Cheshire
Country England
Reference item 5 p 144
Record set Cheshire Diocese of Chester parish marriages 1538-1910
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

safc

safc Report 6 Oct 2015 11:56


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Elizabeth Street, Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Mathias Waring Head Married Male 39 1842 Bricklayers Labr Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Johannah Waring Wife Married Female 32 1849 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Clara Waring Daughter Single Female 11 1870 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Thomas G Waring Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Elizabeth Waring Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
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Martha J Waring Daughter Single Female 3 1878 - Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

safc

safc Report 6 Oct 2015 11:59


England Marriages 1538-1973 Transcription
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First name(s) Matthias
Last name Waring
Name note -
Marriage year 1872
Marriage date 03 Mar 1872
Marriage place Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father's first name(s) John
Father's last name Waring
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Spouse's first name(s) Johanna
Spouse's last name Hanlin
Spouse's age 0
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Richards
Spouse's mother's first name(s) -
Spouse's mother's last name -
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Record set England Marriages 1538-1973
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Oct 2015 12:59

Just trying to get my head around the Warings.

Edith Waring b 1904 Birkenhead, mmn Hanley

Her parents??
Mary Jane Hanley (c1873) m Thomas George Waring (c1876) in 1895

Mary Jane Hanley’s father named as John Hanley on her MC.
…………
But then we have a Johanna Hanlin m Matthias Waring in 1872
(Mia thought Edith's mother was Johanna)
She may have been a widow as her father is named as Thomas Richards. Alternatively he was her step-father.
………..

Sooo…Different families or have the memories of Mia’s relatives got muddled?

Mia

Mia Report 6 Oct 2015 16:58

Never thought doing a family tree would be so confusing lol xx

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+++DetEcTive+++ Report 6 Oct 2015 17:30

Start with what you know, and where possible obtain certificates to confirm.

Older relatives are a mine of information, but sometimes things get confused.

For Edith's family, her DC would give her dob. Bear in mind that the information dies depend on the informants knowledge. Sometimes they give a wrong year of birth. presumably you already have a copy of her MC. Fathers occupations and the names if the witnesses can help find their families.

If the 1904 birth reg is correct, then you might consider purchasing it. That would confirm her mothers maiden name + her fathers occupation. That will help to confirm if the 1911 census is the right one.