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brummiejan

brummiejan Report 5 Oct 2015 15:25

Please can you kind folks help me before I go completely mad! Brace yourselves.

I am trying to find Kate Flory Booth (apparently born Wolverhampton abt. 1870) prior to her marriage to James Edward Myatt. Census and marriage details given below.

There is a witness Mary Maria Caddy, who is without question the Mary Maria Booth who married Thomas Caddy in 1874. Apart from anything else, she & husband are living in Howe St. 1881, which is the address given by James and Kate on their marriage cert.

Mary Booth was born Bushbury Staffs 1855 - I have no idea if related to Kate, or in what way. I am able to locate her on census but no obvious link.

Thanks for looking!

Jan

Name: Kate Llory Booth
[Kate Flory Booth]
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1867
Marriage Date: 4 Feb 1889
Marriage Age: 22
Marriage Place: Ashted, St James the Less, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: James Edward Myatt
Spouse Gender: Male
Spouse Marriage Age: 26
Father: John Booth
Spouse's Father: Thomas Myatt
Reference Number: DRO 10
Archive Roll: 641


1891 census

Name: Kate F Myatt
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James E Myatt
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire

Registration district: Oldham
Sub registration district: Oldham Below Town

James E Myatt 28
Kate F Myatt 21

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 5 Oct 2015 16:16

Just to say - I can see a few people are looking, thanks for that.
Off out about 4.45pm so if you do reply, I might be a bit late responding.

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o°

°o.OOº°‘¨Claire in Wales¨‘°ºOO.o° Report 5 Oct 2015 16:17

I think she came down from space!

AustinQ

AustinQ Report 5 Oct 2015 16:18

Mary Maria Caddy- the witness, was Mary M Booth:

Marriage:
First name(s) THOMAS CHALONER
Last name CADDY
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1874
MarriageFinder™ THOMAS CHALONER CADDY married one of these people
MARY MARIA BOOTH, LAURA MEADS
District BIRMINGHAM
County Warwickshire
Volume 6D Page 114
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008

Not that it helps much!

Andysmum

Andysmum Report 5 Oct 2015 16:23

There is a Kate A Booth registered in Dudley in 1866.

It is always possible that the birth wasn't registered, like several of my ancestors! Very inconsiderate of them!! :-|

Rambling

Rambling Report 5 Oct 2015 16:24

Think this is Mary Maria so trying to work forward from it ( in the absence of finding Kate !)

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Booth Head Married Male 36 1825 Agricultural Carter Eccleshall, Staffordshire, England
Mary Booth Wife Married Female 38 1823 - Lilleshall, Shropshire, England
William Booth Son Unmarried Male 80 1781 Scholar Bushbury, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Samuel Booth Son Unmarried Male 13 1848 Scholar Bushbury, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Mary Booth Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar Bushbury, Staffordshire, England <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Joseph Booth Son - Male 5 1856 Scholar Bushbury, Staffordshire, England Transcription
Elizabeth Booth Daughter - Female 3 1858 - Bushbury, Staffordshire, England
Emily Booth Daughter - Female 1 1860 - Bushbury, Staffordshire, England
Matthew H Booth Son - Male 0 1861 - Bushbury, Staffordshire, England

Sylvia

Sylvia Report 5 Oct 2015 16:31

I am still looking :-)

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 5 Oct 2015 16:32

Thanks all. Not just me having trouble then! I did wonder if she might have been 'adopted'. Or an alien, as you say Claire!

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 5 Oct 2015 19:23

This may be the Kate A

Kate Agnes Booth
Baptism Date: 6 Apr 1870
Baptism Place: Ladywood, St John, Warwickshire, England
Father: James Booth
Mother: Elizabeth Booth
Reference Number: DRO 82
Archive Roll: M166

So not your girl (wrong father, James instead of John)

Strange this..

1901 census

Name: Florence Myatt
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Wife
Gender: Female
Spouse: James Myatt
Birth Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wolverhampton
Search Photos: Search for 'Wolverhampton' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 08
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2679
Folio: 141
Page Number: 9
Household schedule number: 58
Household Members:
Name Age
James Myatt 37
Florence Myatt 31
Annie M Myatt 13

Annie is a daughter. Yet in 1911 they declare no children

Jude

BeverleyW

BeverleyW Report 5 Oct 2015 20:51

There is a Florence Amelia Booth born in Wolverhampton in 1869 to John and Lydia.
Baptised 20th October in Jeath Town, Wolverhampton.
Address 20 Church Street.
Father a labourer.

That's the nearest I can get.


Name John Booth
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Bloxwich, Walsall Foreign, Staffordshire, England
Enumeration District 8
Gender Male
Age 25
Marital Status Married
Occupation Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1846
Birthplace Bushbury, Staffordshire

John Booth Head M 25 Bushbury, Staffordshire
Lydia Booth Wife F 22 Bloxwich, Staffordshire
George Booth Son M 6 Bloxwich, Staffordshire
Florance Booth Daughter F 1 Bloxwich, Staffordshire

Rambling

Rambling Report 5 Oct 2015 21:00

Justt putting this here because it does tie in with birthdate

Deaths Mar 1917 (>99%)

Myatt Florence A 47 Wolverhampton 6b 785

I think this one is more likely to be the Florence Amelia Myatt born 1874?

Deaths Sep 1936 (>99%)
Myatt Florence A 63 Stoke T. 6b 249

malyon

malyon Report 5 Oct 2015 22:15

could kate be born catherine

malyon

malyon Report 5 Oct 2015 22:45

is this james myatt in 1881

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Attach to Family Tree
Jas Edwd Myatt
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Jas Edwd Myatt
Age (Original) 17
Gender Male
Birth Year 1864
Birthplace Handsworth, Staffordshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Marital Status Single
Occupation Machinist In Engine Shop (E&M)
Address 105 Peel St
Event Place Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 3008 / 39
Page Number 20
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Thomas Myatt Head M 45 Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Mary Ann Myatt Wife F 45 Manchester, Lancashire, England
Jno Thos Myatt Son M 20 Crewe, Cheshire, England
Jas Edwd Myatt Son M 17 Handsworth, Staffordshire, England
Geo Henry Myatt Son M 14 Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Thos H Myatt Son M 8 Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Mary A Myatt Daughter F 6 Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Clara Myatt Daughter F 4 Birmm, Warwickshire, England
Leonard Myatt Son M 3 Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Mary

Mary Report 5 Oct 2015 22:45

1901 with daughter Annie,looks like she was born before marriage
1891 Anna Booth with parents of Florence A Booth John and Lydia
John Booth was brother to Mary Booth the witness to James E Myatt wedding
So 1911 is correct as there was no children to the marriage as Annie born before

It certainly looks like Kate was Florence Amelia Booth

Maryb

HeyJudeB4Beatles

HeyJudeB4Beatles Report 5 Oct 2015 23:07

And in 1881 john's occupation is coal miner which matches the marriage cert. wonder why she claimed to be 22 at marriage?

malyon

malyon Report 5 Oct 2015 23:14


could be kate in 1881

Attach to Family Tree
Kate Booth
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name Kate Booth
Age (Original) 14
Gender Female
Birth Year 1867
Birthplace Netherton, Worcestershire, England
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Marital Status Single
Occupation Nursemaid Domestic
Address 259 Monument Rd
Event Place Edgbaston (Warwick), Worcestershire, England
Record Type Household
Affiliate Publication Number RG11
Piece/Folio 2955 / 76
Page Number 14
HOUSEHOLD

ROLE

GENDER

AGE

BIRTHPLACE

Edwin J Stoner Head M 33 Lambeth, Warwickshire, England
Ellen Stoner Wife F 32 Marylebone, Warwickshire, England
Edwin J Stoner Son M 5 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Alice J Stoner Daughter F 7 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Nellie Stoner Daughter F 0 Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Esther Davis Servant F 20 Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England
Kate Booth Servant F 14 Netherton, Worcestershire, England

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 6 Oct 2015 07:23

(can see below)

County Staffordshire
Place Bloxwich
Church name All Saints
Register type
Register entry number 117
Marriage date 01 Apr 1866
Groom forename John
Groom surname BOOTH
Groom age 20
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Bloxwich
Groom occupation Forge Man
Bride forename Lydia
Bride surname CHIDLOW
Bride age 19
Bride condition spinster
Bride abode Bloxwich
Groom father forename Thomas
Groom father surname BOOTH
Groom father occupation Lab
Bride father forename George
Bride father surname CHIDLOW
Bride father occupation Miner
Witness1 forename Levi
Witness1 surname ATHERSMITH
Witness2 forename Sarah
Witness2 surname TOTTY


Baptism
Baptism date 20 Oct 1869
Person forename Florence Amelia
Person sex F
Person abode Church Street
Father forename John
Father surname BOOTH
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Lydia

http://www.freereg.org.uk/


West Midlands Birth indexes for the years: 1866

BOOTH George Thomas Bloxwich Walsall Register Office BLX/017/091

http://www.westmidlandsbmd.org.uk/index.php

Chris :)

brummiejan

brummiejan Report 6 Oct 2015 10:08

Good morning everyone. Firstly, a big thank-you for all your work, and for the suggestions.

Firstly, I think the death looks pretty likely, thanks RRose.

Jude, I had noted the 'daughter' Ann in 1901, was saving that for later, but you beat me to it! However, she does seem to be the key, thanks to someone for finding her 1891 - I am losing track a bit regarding who did what!

John's birthplace is compelling isn't it.

It does look like Kate might well be Florence Amelia, though I do have a niggle or two. Why change her names so much? And why the Wolverhampton birthplace if she was born in Bloxwich, quite a different place? I shall probably never know!

I can't find John and Mary Booth together as siblings either, but putting everything together, the John in Bloxwich must really be her father I think.

Much appreciated everyone.

Jan x

Mary

Mary Report 6 Oct 2015 10:53

1841 Thomas booth 1823 eccleshall staffs son in law to Mathew key head of house
Mary booth 1825 nee key
John 1847 bushbury
Sarah 2
William 5month

1861 Wednesfield staffs
Samuel keay dad Matthew keay (this looks like Mary Key's brother so would be John's uncle)
Emily wife nee Sadler married 1859.
John Booth 1846 servant.

1861 Thomas and Mary with daughter Mary age 6 no John but it is the same family.
1871Thomas Bood
1881 Thomas Bood

Maryb

malyon

malyon Report 6 Oct 2015 12:23

my mother inlaw was born florence ivy but called herself mary she hated her birth name i never knew her birth name till she died