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James Keating From Balla, County Mayo

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Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 22:27

Thank you.. At least I can tell them that he didn't die in the war like they believed.. I wondered if Phelan might be a family second name that his parents included as a middle name?

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 22:19

There is this which is an outside possibility? Acquitted of stealing a pair of boots

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Keating
Occupation Labourer
Age 35
Birth year 1876
Year 1911
Date 02 Jan 1911
Court Chester
Place Cheshire
Victim's first name(s) John Philip
Victim's last name Powell
Source A Calendar Of Prisoners Tried At The General Quarter Sessions Of The Peace
Series HO140
Piece number 286
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison registers

and an earlier appearance

First name(s) Thomas
Last name Keating
Occupation Labourer
Age -
Birth year 1876
Birth date ? ? 1876
Year 1908
Date ? ? 1908
Place Chester
Court -
Series MEPO6
Source Habitual Criminals Register 1909
Piece number 20
Record set England & Wales, Crime, Prisons & Punishment, 1770-1935
Category Institutions & organisations
Subcategory Prison registers
Collections from Great Britain

No middle initials given though

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 21:14

The T J Keating who died 1918 and is listed on some Keating trees as your Thomas is not the same person

Rank:Captain
Date of Death:14/06/1918
Age:24
Regiment/Service:Royal Air Force 63rd Sqdn. and Royal Field Artillery Grave Reference: III. E. 5.
Cemetery:BAGHDAD (NORTH GATE) WAR CEMETERY
Additional Information:Son of Patrick and Mary Keating, of Ballinamult, Co. Waterford.

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 20:52

Don't know if you've seen this?

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/surnames.keating/3.10/mb.ashx

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 20:50

Not yet but this is the death in 1938 in case you need to order death cert tosee if it is him

Name: Thomas Keating
Birth Date: abt 1873
Date of Registration: Dec 1938
Age at Death: 65
Registration district: Liverpool North
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 435

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 20:46

Yes in 1911 Lillian was living with my great grandfather, Henry smith Holland.. Not sure where Thomas went though! Have you had any luck in finding him?

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 20:42

Just while I see it as it has been mistranscribed and corrected

1911

Name: Joseph Wlater Heating
[Joseph Walter Keating]
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Chester, England
Civil Parish: Chester
Search Photos: Search for 'Chester' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: 7 Pitt Street Chester
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: General Labourer
Registration district: Chester
Registration District Number: 450
Sub-registration district: Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Piece: 21880
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Wlater Heating 29
Emily Heating 28
Thamas Rachard Heating 7
Mary Heating 4
Margarate Heating 2
Emily Heating 1
Gertrude Packwood 18

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 20:40

Looks like he married in 1901 to Lillian Lawrence Howard

here she is in 1911

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Name: Lilian Lawrence Keating
Age in 1911: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation to Head: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Wavertree
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County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 37 Nebo St Wavertree Lpool
Marital Status: Married
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Wavertree
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 22658
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Smith Holland 37
Lilian Lawrence Keating 29
Edwin Victor Keating 4
Edith Holland Keating 2
John James Holland Keating 1/12
Elizabeth Carty 28

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 20:02

Eringobrah1916, thank you for that information.. Yes I have seen the information about Walter and have spoken to one of his relatives about it.. Very exciting when you find stories and not just dates!
My relatives believed that Thomas Joseph Phelan Keating died during fighting in WW1; however the person I spoke to about Walter believes that Thomas lived on until 1938.. Would be very interesting if he did but I haven't been able to find any military records for him as of yet that show he survived. I can't even find him in the 1911 census.. Would anyone mind having a look?
He was born in 1874 in County Mayo and was a boarder in 1901 in Price Street, Birkenhead.
Really appreciate everyone's help so far! :-)

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 20:02

What an interesting find Eringobragh1916 :-)

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2015 19:11

Zoe ...have you seen this....

http://diversenarratives.com/2014/12/07/keating/

Eringobragh1916

Eringobragh1916 Report 17 Aug 2015 19:08

Zoe....In case you don't have these.....(Co.Mayo)

Richard Keating married Sarah Reilly Feb.10 1859...witnesses' were Pat and Brid Foley.
Mary born July 16 1862...Newtown
Richard Jan.20 1865 Newtown
John Nov.28 1867 Newtown
James 24 Dec 1870 Newtown.

Richard married Brid.Dunn Jan 1st 1873. Newtown

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 16:05

It has Catherine's too

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 15:53

Thank you Rambling Rose.. I would never have known to look there!

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 15:40

Not helpful but i think this could be Bridget keating

Age: 73 y
Address: 14 William St
Parish: none
Date of Burial: 24/03/1921
Grave Number: R630
Page Number: 25
Consecrated: False
Cemetery Register: DCE 1/8
Running Number: 2490
Notes: Date of Death = blank; Consecrated ground = "R Cath"

oh and the son James


Description: Son of Richard & Bridget Keating
Age: 20 m
Address: Union St
Parish: St John
Date of Death: 27/11/1880
Date of Burial: 30/11/1880
Grave Number: G11758
Page Number:
Consecrated: False
Cemetery Register: DCE/1/3
Running Number: 4419
Notes: Catholic

Daughter Catherine is there also


This is from the Overleigh cemetery records online ( my grandfather is listed there so I knew where to look) http://archivedatabases.cheshire.gov.uk/cms/LacOverleighCemetery/home.aspx

EDIT just noticed the second page, the Richard who died 1890 is also listed


Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 15:29

The second son named James was James John and I wondered if he was named after the two older brothers! I've probably just run away at a tangent!

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 15:25

These are the children I have listed down:
Richard Keating & Sarah Reilly
Mary 1862
Richard 1865
John 1867
James 1870

Richard Keating & Bridget Dunne
Thomas Joseph Phelan Keating 1874
Michael Keating 1876
Annie 1877
James John 1879
Joseph Walter King 1882
Catherine 1883
Bernard 1886

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 15:17

This is the 1891 for Bridget

me Thomas Keating
Age 17
Estimated Birth Year abt 1874
Relation Son
Mother's Name Bridget Keating
Gender Male
Where born Mayo, Ireland
Civil parish Chester
Ecclesiastical parish Christchurch
Town Chester
County/Island Cheshire
Country England
Registration district Chester
Sub registration district Chester Cathedral
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Piece 2866
Folio 72
Page number 34
Household Members
Name Age
Bridget Keating 43
Thomas Keating 17
Michael Keating 15
Annie Keating 14
Walter Keating 9
Bernard Keating 5

Rambling

Rambling Report 17 Aug 2015 15:15

Only thing is there is a tree on Ancestry that has Richard and Bridget, but it seems they had a child James together which seems unlikely if Richard already had a son James?

Just checking it out

They have this death for Richard
Death
DEC 1890 • 41 William St, Hoole, Chester, Cheshire, England
Cheshire BMD Death Record: KEATING Richard 45 Chester Cathedral Cheshire West CAT/58/69

Zoe

Zoe Report 17 Aug 2015 15:11

Oh that's a shame that they're not connected! Yes that's them.. I think Balla and Castlebar are quite close together in Ireland? I've also heard Newtown mentioned.