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Richard Markham son of Henry & Elizabeth Born 1851 (birth or baptism not found )
1861 Census he is with family at Canal Terrace,Camberwell age 8.
1870 Enlists with Surrey Militia then transfers to 40th Reg of Foot,
The Lancashire Regiment, age 19, a private, occ groom.
1872 July, Discharged from reg on health grounds,Heart Disease,medical officers notes state "his disability will affect his ability to support himself"
Discharge took place at Dublin,Ireland. his age 20 & 7/12ths years, home address
Canal Bank,Camberwell. After 1872 I have no sight of him, as he is ill I would expect him to be back near his family.?????
ANY HELP appreciated,
Thanks Ken M.

Richard Markham
United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records
Name: Richard Markham
Event Type: Pension
Event Year Range: 1760-1913
Event Place: United Kingdom
Birthplace: Surrey
Birth Year (Estimated): 1851

Richard Markham
mentioned in the record of Richard Markham and Mary Ann Pescod
Name: Richard Markham
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Pescod
Event Date: 17 Jul 1898
Event Place: St Stephens Church, Walworth, Surrey, England
Father's Name: William Markham
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Pescod

who were his parents in 1861 census? i can't see a birth for him in bdm

His parents are given in the OP

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
9, Canal Terrace, Camberwell, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Marthham Head Married Male 35 1826 Car Driver Southwark, Surrey, England
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Elizabeth Marthham Wife Married Female 35 1826 - Cripplestyle, Middlesex, England
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William Marthham Son - Male 12 1849 Wood Chopper Newington, Surrey, England
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John Marthham Son - Male 10 1851 Scholar New Windsor, Surrey, England
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Richard Marpham Son - Male 6 1855 Scholar Surrey, England
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Henry Marpham Son - Male 4 1857 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey, England

Total long shot but something to think about ...

Just wondering if this is father's death
In which case he has an middle initial.


Name:
Henry T Markham

Estimated birth year:abt 1825

Registration Year:1866
Registration Quarter:Oct-Nov-Dec

Age at Death:41

Registration district:Newington
Inferred County:London

Volume:1d
Page:182
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Could this be Henry & Elizabeth's marriage ?

Name:
Henry Thomas Markham

Spouse:Elizabeth Barrett

Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:19 Feb 1856
Parish:St James the Less, Bethnal Green
Borough:Tower Hamlets

Father Name:William Markham

Spouse Father:John Joseph Barrett

Register Type:Parish Register



in which case the 3 eldest boys could have been born Barrett

Exactly correct, Your long shot Mike.,
I have never found a birth or baptism for the first 3 boys either Barrett or Markham ( ie William,John, Richard ) another son Henry baptized Shoreditch just after their marriage,the last son Charles was registerd in 1862.
When Henry & Elizabeth Barrett married neither stated they were widowed or formerly on record,just says of full age. William is my g/grandfather.
On Richards army enlistment papers he doesn't state a middle initial, after 1872 he just disappears,the regiment would have possibly shipped him back to Lancs from Dublin.
Thanks Ken M

What was Elizabeth's father's name on her marriage cert ?

John Joseph Barrett

Henry & elizabeth's second son was named John Joseph Markham

Ken m.

Have you discounted this birth?

Births Dec 1850 (>99%)
Barrett Richard Roberts Newington 4 403

Have followed that one up in 1881census he looks to be married with a son Albert
so not my trail, there is a huge family of Barretts in the Newington/Walworth area
I have tracked most of them that have coinciding names and birth years
I have been searching for births and baptisms of this lot for the last ten years
and have got nowhere!!

Thanks Ken
Just found a death ref for Manchester cemetery for Richard Markham 1884 but no details,but then lower on page its repeated with age , NOT Mine wrong age.

is the age way out??


so much death information is "hearsay" ............ and age is one of the worst ones for being wrong

I don't see a Richard Markham with son Albert in 1881. (The nearest is an R Markham born c1843 in Buckinghamshire.)

Re age - in your OP you say he was born 1851.
At 1861 census he was born 1853, at enlistment born 1851, at discharge born approx. Dec 1851.

Any or all of those options might be wrong.

I don't see his mother or siblings after 1871, for that matter.

Perhaps he stayed in Ireland, or died there.

Possibly his mother's death?

Deaths Sep 1878 (>99%)
MARKHAM Elizabeth 50 Camberwell 1d 461

Possibly Elizabeth's son William in 1881? He was a wood chopper in 1871.

William Markham
in the 1881 England Census

Name: William Markham
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1848
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Maria Markham
Gender: Male
Where born: Walworth, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 1 Woodland Cotts
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Woodcutter <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 45
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 691
Folio: 111
Page Number: 65
Household Members:
Name Age
William Markham 33
Maria Markham 29
William J. Markham 7
Richard Markham 4 - named after possibly deceased uncle Richard??

Argllgran, All info you have is correct William in 1881 is my g/grandfather his son Richard was my grandfather
the Richard with a son Albert was a "Barrett" that was mentioned above which I followed up as stated above.
All the siblings stayed in s/London area and all seemed to name their boys William,John or Richard
I have done some searching in the irish records but nothing looked good
I take your point about dates I always search a wide margin, Richard possibly never knew his exact birth date, he signs his army papers with a cross (his mark)
Thanks for your input, will keep searching
Ken M.

Have you discounted this one?


Name: R.R. Markham
Age: 29
Estimated birth year: abt 1852
Relationship to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Marlebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 78 Wells St
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Clerk
Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: All Souls
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 133
Folio: 93
Page Number: 39
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Gomm 21
James Simpson 51
John Marriott 60
Robert Clark 30
George Smith 38
W.M. Colin 27
Vincent J. Engl... 34
William Renshaw 49
James Gerald 46
Henry Faust 30
Joseph Searbury 31
Ernest W. Fox 29
Henry G.S. Cooper 37
H. Beale 25
Walter Kitt 27
John Harmer 60
Phillip R. Nusman 74
Stephen Harris 29
Frederick Munts 61
George Gerard 22
Ellen Bradbury 14
John Kay 52
Edmund Waller 25
Joseph Mills 45
J.K. Stock 21
J.B. Patterson 19
H. Ellis 20
Percy H. Hallett 30
Arthur J. Hutton 32
Ann Farrell 25
James Barnard 66
Oscar Aleson 19
Harry Hyde 20
R.R. Markham 29<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
John Robertson 43
John F. Crawley 48
J.G. Williams 33
John Dad 33
B.J. Robinson 32
Joseph N. Turner 54
James Grant 29
A. Hall 30
William Autz 28
George Rose 39
William Thompson 43
Charles Claston 19
John Phillips 69

I note that R. R. Markham is said to have the occupation of Clerk

yet Ken says that he always signs his army papers with a X ....... indicating that he could not write.


Is it really possible that someone who is unable to sign his name from apparently about 1870 and 1872, and is discharged with a "disability will affect his ability to support himself" would be able to gain employment as a clerk in 1881?

Hi all, I also put RR Markham to one side because I also had the impression that he wasn't very capable of reading & writing, to suddenly become a clerk.
Because of his heart disability I really expected him to be home around Camberwell
were his family could help him.
Heart attacks/Strokes have been bumping of the male Markhams for the last 150years and still are to date.
I have copies and certificates of everything mentioned above.
Just to confuse me Henry & Elizabeth named their next son Henry TAYLOR, at least they had him baptized at St Johns ,Hoxton,in 1856 gave an address of Curtain Rd which was a most undesirable place to live, typical east end slum. Off searching again how does Taylor fit in ,a relatives maiden name, or just fancied it. ???
Ken M