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alan marshall bain born 1917 died 1984 father alec fgeaorge bain looking for wife and son micheal please

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England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription

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First name(s) ALAN M
Last name BAIN
Birth year 1917
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's last name BATE
District WEST HAM
County Essex
Country England
Volume 4A
Page 13



England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription
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First name(s) ALAN MARSHALL
Last name BAIN
Gender Male
Birth day 5
Birth month 10
Birth year 1917
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1984
District EALING
Register number 484
County London


and parents' marriage.

Name: Ace George Bain, arc lamp trimmer
[Alec George Bain]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Age: 22
Spouse: Ellen Jane Bate
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Nov 1909
Parish: Christ Church, Greenwich, East
Borough: Greenwich
Father Name: James William Bain, painter
Spouse Father: Alfred Thomas Bate (dec) brass moulder
Register Type: Parish Register
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When and to whom did he marry please?

What have you done to try to find them?

Electoral Roll

Name: Alan M Bain
Year: 1965
County or Borough: Ealing
Ward or Division/Constituency: Acton
Street address: 105 Avenue Road
Reference Number: LCC/PER/B/2984

105 Avenue Road – living with
Alec G Bain
Ellen J Bain
Elsie F Bain

Presumably the first 2 are his parents

So is Elsie a sister/other relative or his wife

The earliest ER he is shown on in Ealing is 1949, with the same 3 people

There's the marriage in Ealing in 1978 of an Elsie F Bain to an Alan M Bain.
(On Ancestry, not FreeBMD.)

Too late for the ER above, though.
Perhaps she took his name, but didn't marry until later?

Very long shot - absolutely no reason to think this is the same person, except for middle initial, and YOB would fit:

EDIT: probably correct death, in light of later posts below.


Elsie Florence Bain
in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Elsie Florence Bain
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1917
Date of Registration: Apr 1991
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 2016

Alan had a sister, Mabel F Bain, born 1910 West Ham, per 1911 census & FreeBMD.
She probably married Charles Barker in 1931, West Ham.

Alan would have been 61 at marriage.
Elsie was already Bain
Maybe she was a widow of one of his brothers/ cousins


Name:Alan M Bain

Spouse :Elsie F Bain

Date of Registration:Jan-Feb-Mar 1978

Registration district:Ealing
Inferred County:Middlesex

Volume Number:12
Page Number:0232

There is a birth for Michael A Bain with mother's maiden name Bain
prior to 1978

thank you i think alan was married twice

alan had a brother alec sister mabel

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Bain Alec A W Bate W.Ham 4a 66


Alec's wife was not Elsie:

Marriages Sep 1939 (>99%)
Bain Alec A W Lee W.Ham 4a 164
Lee Doris L Bain W.Ham 4a 164

thank you

alecs wife was doris what were alans think he had 2 wives one had a son micheal

The following information is on a tree on My Heritiage:

elsie florence bain (born cairns), 1917-1991
elsie florence bain (born cairns) was born on month day 1917, to francis thomas cairns and Ethel Florence cairns (born Bridges).
Ethel was born on February 6 1893.
elsie married alan marshall bain.
alan was born on October 5 1917.
His occupation was security guard.
They had 2 sons: michael bain and one other child.
elsie passed away on month day 1991, at age 73.

http://www.myheritage.com/names/elsie_bain

On the 1978 marriage put earlier for Alan and Elsie- Elsie is also listed under the Surname Hansen

Her previous marriage?
Name: Elsie F Caughlin
Spouse: Helge C Hansen
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944
Registration district: Brentford
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 507

One child born: Peter G- born 1945, died 1947

Births Mar 1913 (>99%)
Bain Alec A W Bate W.Ham 4a 66


Births Dec 1917 (>99%)
Bain Alan M Bate W. Ham 4a 13


Births Sep 1910 (>99%)
BAIN Mabel F W. Ham 4a 336




1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
49 West Down Road Leyton, Low Leyton, Essex, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
Alec George Bain Head Married Male Arc Lamp Trimmer 22 1889 Kent Greenwich Transcription
Ellen Jane Bain Wife Married Female - 22 1889 Kent Greenwich Transcription
Mabel Bain Daughter Married Female - 0 1911 Essex Leyton Transcription

As you are so sure he fathered a son named Michael, can you tell us when the child was born?

Have you obtained a copy of Alan's death cert, for details of the informant?

Are you in touch with any other family members?

If you are related to these people, are they in your GR tree?

ADDED........

NO they aren't, but Alan is in FOUR trees.......................as are his siblings. And his father is in at least THREE

Try to get in touch with the 'owners' - search trees should be the first place to look when trying to find living people through this site

Helge Clifford Hansen
Birth Date: 1 Jul 1919
Date of Registration: May 2006
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Peterborough
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, Northamptonshire
Volume: -1
Page: -1
Register Number: E3G
District and Subdistrict: 335/1E
Entry Number: 174

Remarriage for Helge Hansen - just after Elsie began living with Alan (per the ER's above) , using the surname Bain.


Helge C Hansen

in the England & Wales, Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Helge C Hansen
Spouse Surname: Clemensen
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1950
Registration district: Eton
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Volume Number: 6a
Page Number: 741