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My brick wall.. Francis William Griffin

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Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 19:51

My great grandfather was Francis William Griffin born c1884.. I do not know where he was born. I have his marriage cert. he married Evelyn Sybil Irene Wood (hilmorton/bulkington) in 1915 in Rugby..Francis place of residence is Leamington, his father is William Henry Griffin and he is a grocer. I don't seem to be able to find a birth for him or find his father to tie the 2 together..Francis died in 1933 in rugby after colliding with a car while on his ,bicycle .
Witnesses to the marriage were Joseph Cooper Wood (Evelyn's father) and F Padbury..
Any help would be appreciated :-)

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2015 19:56

I think this sounds like him.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
69 Ranelagh Terrace Leamington, Leamington, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
William Richard Raven Head Married Male 33 1878 Leamington Warwickshire Range Fitter
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Elizabeth Alice Raven Wife Married Female 29 1882 Kineton Warwickshire -
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William Richard Raven Son - Male 0 1911 Leamington Warwickshire -
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Richards Raven Father Married Male 72 1839 Leamington Warwickshire Road Sweeper
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Mary Ann Raven Mother Married Female 65 1846 Brails Warwickshire -
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Henry Helter Raven Sister Single Female 41 1870 Leamington Warwickshire Dressmaker
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>>Francis William Griffin Boarder Single Male 29 1882 Berkshire Reading Grocers Assistant

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 19:58

Wow!! It certainly does, thank you

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 19:59

I've just noticed on marriage cert in 1915 he is also aged 29, could the census have the age wrong?

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2015 20:12

His death with a birth of c1886.

Name: Francis W Griffin
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Dec 1933
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Rugby
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 785

What is his father's occupation please?

The 1911 census definitely reads 29.

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it Report 20 Apr 2015 20:14

Ahh. They spelt his name wrong

Marriages Dec 1915
Griffin Frances W Wood Rugby 6d 2283
Wood Evelyn S I Griffin Rugby 6d 2283

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 20:19

His fathers occupation was grocer, any sign of him in earlier census with his father?
Yes I think they did spell his name wrong in the marriage record.. Normally Francis with an E is the female way off spelling it. But defiantly on marriage cert it is spelt with an I .

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Apr 2015 20:40

Surname: PADBURY
Forename: Francis J E
Year of Marriage: 1914
Reference: 775/WS/C66/2/170/1
District: WARWICK (the Registration District in which the marriage took place)
Spouses Surname(s): HICKMAN

(no idea if F Padbury, witness)

Chris :)

https://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/indexes/marrind.nsf/Search?OpenForm

(Warwicks. BMD)

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 20:45

Yes F Padbury was a witness to the marriage , no idea what the connection between him and Francis is thought.. Maybe he worked along side him

malyon

malyon Report 20 Apr 2015 20:47


Frank Griffin
England Births and Christenings
Name: Frank Griffin
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Oct 1882
Christening Place: Birmingham, Warwick, England
Father's Name: William Henry Griffin
Mother's Name: Jane

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 20:53

I have seen that birth before but was not too sure if it was my Francis. Any sign of him with his father on any census?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 20 Apr 2015 21:04

???? Maybe ??

Births Sep 1884 (>99%)
Griffin Francis William Gloucester 6a 273


EDIT: No!

Deaths Sep 1884 (>99%)
GRIFFIN Francis William 0 Gloucester 6a 147

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Apr 2015 21:06

Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%)
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GRIFFIN William 45 Warwick 6d 385


Deaths Jun 1933 (>99%)
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Griffin Fanny 74 Warwick 6d 760

(above the Grocers from Regent Street, Leamington, mentioned on below old 'Thread', but no sign of Francis with them)

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/849999

Chris :)

(looks like Insurance Agent for his Occ. 1915)

alviegal

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2015 21:08

I think this is the family that Yvonne has found.


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Frederick Place, Frederick Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William H Griffen Head Married Male 46 1845 Brass Filer Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
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Jane Griffen Wife Married Female 41 1850 - Middlesex, England
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Harry Griffen Son Single Male 10 1881 Scholar Warwick, Middlesex, England
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Frank Griffen Son Single Male 8 1883 Scholar Warwick, Middlesex, England


and the family Chris Ho has found.



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Regent Street, Leamington Priors, Warwick, Warwickshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Griffin Head Married Male 31 1860 Greengrocer Southam, Warwickshire, England
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Fanny Griffin Wife Married Female 32 1859 - Warwickshire, England
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Mary Frances Griffin Daughter Single Female 0 1891 - Warwickshire, England
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Maud Esther Draper Servant Single Female 13 1878 General Servant Domestic Cubbington, Warwickshire, England

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 21:18

Chris.. That was my thread from 10 years ago, lol totally forgot about that one.. At least I waited 10 years before asking the same question haha. Yes he was an insurance agent at his time of death,
Thank you all for the census returns it hard to figure out if it's him or not

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Apr 2015 21:24

16 February 1934 - Leamington Spa Courier - Leamington, Warwickshire

IN MEMORIAM.
GRIFFIN.—In ever-loving memory of Francis William Griffin, who passed to higher life February 19th, 1932. From his loving Wife, Daughters and Sons. " God’s greatest gift - remembrance."

(another about also!) (and same Memoriam 1935)

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 21:27

Thank you for that Chris , I never knew about that ..

Chris Ho :)

Chris Ho :) Report 20 Apr 2015 21:31

Surname: GRIFFIN
Forename: Francis
Year of Death: 1933
Reference: 770/1/17A/260
District: RUGBY

(1933 though, you said)

Chris :)

alviegal Report 20 Apr 2015 20:12

His death with a birth of c1886.

Name: Francis W Griffin
Birth Date: abt 1886
Date of Registration: Dec 1933
Age at Death: 47
Registration district: Rugby
Inferred County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 785

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 21:33

Yes his death cert says 1933

Sue

Sue Report 20 Apr 2015 21:35

There must of been 2 Francis with the same name die within a year of each other