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7 Jan 2015 12:05 |
Patrick Thornton Coal Hewer. Wow what a response, thank you to everyone who has taken the time to assist me in my search for Patricks details, you can probably understand now why I asked the question, its confusing sometimes, I think I have plenty of info to delve into now. I always felt that there was an Irish connection, time will tell, I won't be bored for a while sifting thru all your suggestions. Regards and Happy New Year ;-)
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ArgyllGran
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7 Jan 2015 11:22 |
From PM of thanks received from Tanglewood today, it appears he/she already has all the information we found.
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malyon
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6 Jan 2015 23:44 |
hi
if ann thornton was 18yrs old when she married in1889 she must have been born in 1871
Anna Thornton England and Wales Census, 1881 Name: Anna Thornton Age (Original): 1080 Gender: Female Birth Year: 1871 Birthplace: Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Relationship to Head of Household: Stepdaughter Marital Status: Single Occupation: Scholar Address: Grove Town 10 Oak St Event Place: Pontefract, Yorkshire (West Riding), England Record Type: Household Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 4589 / Page Number: 36 Household Role Gender Age Birthplace Anthony Mc Hale Head M 51 York, Yorkshire, England Mary Mc Hale Wife F 45 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England William Thornton Stepson M 17 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Mary Thornton Stepdaughter F 16 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England John Thornton Stepson M 11 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Anna Thornton Stepdaughter F 10 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Patrick Cowley Visitor M 30 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2015 23:35 |
No help with Ann(a), but this will be Patrick's brother Owen:
Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%) McCluskey Rosanna Newcastle On Tyne 10b 204 Thornton Owen Newcastle On Tyne 10b 204
1861 England Census about Owen Thornton Name: Owen Thornton Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Roseann Thornton Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Westgate Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household schedule number: 347 Piece: 3813 Folio: 52 Page Number: 53 Owen Thornton 28 Roseann Thornton 24 Margaret Thornton 1 Edward Calders 26 - boarder James Charles 24 - boarder
1871 England Census about Owen Thornton Name: Owen Thornton Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rose Thornton Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Westgate Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: Newcastle upon Tyne County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 11b Household schedule number: 338 Piece: 5073 Folio: 83 Page Number: 12 Owen Thornton 37 Rose Thornton 30 Margt Thornton 11 Sarah Thornton 9 Ann Thornton 7 Thos Thornton 3 John Thornton 1
1881 England Census about Owen Thornton Name: Owen Thornton Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Rose Thornton Gender: Male Where born: Monaghan, Ireland Civil Parish: Westgate County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Street address: 7 Back George Street Marital Status: Married Occupation: Iron Dresser Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 13b Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 5050 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24 Owen Thornton 50 Rose Thornton 41 Margaret Thornton 21 Annie Thornton 17 Thomas Thornton 13 John Thornton 11 Edward Thornton 9 Mary E. Thornton 6 Ellen Thornton 4 Winifred Thornton 2 Joseph Thornton
1891 England Census about Owen Thornton Name: Owen Thornton Age: 60 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Rose Thornton Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Westgate Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne Sub registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4193 Folio: 30 Page Number: 55 Owen Thornton 60 Rose Thornton 49 John Thornton 71 Edward Thornton 19 Winniefred Thornton 12 Joseph Thornton 10 Rose Thornton 7
1901 England Census about Owen Thornton Name: Owen Thornton Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Rose Thornton Birth Place: Ireland Civil Parish: Westgate Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew County/Island: Northumberland Country: England Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne Sub-registration district: Westgate ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Piece: 4767 Folio: 130 Page Number: 42 Household schedule number: 282 Owen Thornton 64 Rose Thornton 54 Edward Thornton 29 Annie Thornton 24 Joseph Thornton 20 William Thornton 17 James Thornton 14 Maggie Thornton 5 Rose Thornton 17
Deaths Dec 1904 (>99%) THORNTON Owen 67 Newcastle T. 10b 41
I had wondered about this, but in view of the 1901 above, it can't be him:
Web: Ireland, Census, 1901 about Owen Thornton Name: Owen Thornton Gender: Male Age: 68 Birth Year: abt 1833 Relation to Head: Head Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901 Townland/Street: Chapelrow District: Tullyish County: Down Owen Thornton 68 Rose Anne Thornton 59
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6 Jan 2015 23:09 |
AG
Yes, I thought she may be in Ireland
Buddy frustrating !!
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2015 22:57 |
Perhaps Ann's in Ireland in 1881, visiting relatives there.
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6 Jan 2015 22:45 |
Looks good, Gins!
That would fit with the 1871 & 1881 censuses.
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6 Jan 2015 22:40 |
1851 England Census
Name:Patrick Thornton
Age:11
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840
Relation:Son
Father's Name: Patrick Thornton
Mother's name: Ann Thornton
Gender:Male
Where born:Ireland
Civil Parish:Westgate
County/Island:Northumberland
Registration district:Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district:Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel:3 Household schedule number:334 Piece:2404 Folio:516 Page Number:75
Household Members:
Patrick Thornton 45 Ann Thornton 35 Owen Thornton 17 Patrick Thornton 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<Anna' dad?
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2015 22:19 |
If the births posted by Yvonne are the right family, then the 1871 and 1881 censuses posted earlier are her family.
But don't know where Anna is in 1881
Not sure about the 1891. Same street and names, but wrong ages.
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6 Jan 2015 22:17 |
Traced what appears to her father and mom (censuses/marriage) but cannot see Ann* on the 1881 census
England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name:Patricium Thornton
Gender:Male
Marriage Date:16 Dec 1865
Marriage Place:St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England
Father: Petri Thornton Pat* <<Ireland
Spouse: Elizabetham Booth <<<Durham
FHL Film Number:2082455
Reference ID:it 7
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malyon
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6 Jan 2015 21:14 |
this is the 1871 census William Pearson Self M 27 Whitby, Yorkshire Isabella Pearson Wife F 26 Stockton, Yorkshire Jane Ann Pearson Daughter F 4 Hartlepool, Yorkshire William Pearson Son M 2 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire James Pearson Son M 1 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire Margt Lewis Sister F 12 Hull, Yorkshire
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malyon
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6 Jan 2015 20:37 |
hi this looks like the children of ann's parents
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Barbara Helena Thornton England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 26 April 1869 christening: 9 May 1869 St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England residence: 1869 Durham, Durham, England father: Patritii Thornton mother: Elizabethae Booth Anna Thornton England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 17 May 1873 christening: 1 June 1873 St Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England father: Patricii Thornton mother: Elizabethae Booth
Maria Anna Thornten England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 birth: 28 October 1866 christening: 25 November 1866 St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England residence: 1866 Durham, Durham, England father: Patritii Thornten mother: Elizabethae Booth
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6 Jan 2015 17:31 |
Wonder if this is her baptism
Name:Anna Thornton
Gender:Female
Birth Date:17 May 1873
Baptism Date:1 Jun 1873
Baptism Place:St Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England
Father: Patricii Thornton
Mother: Elizabethae Booth
FHL Film Number:2082455
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2015 17:20 |
There's this Patrick, who's a retired coal miner, widowed, and living with his mother Ann, in 1891. Too old to be a brother of James's wife, but maybe an uncle??
1891 England Census about Patrick Thornton Name: Patrick Thornton Age: 64 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827 Relation: Son Parent's Name: Ann Thornton Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Elvetham Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Durham Sub registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4099 Folio: 32 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Ann Thornton 84 Patrick Thornton 64 coal miner (retired) Michael Brown 36 - lodger John Waills 25 - lodger
Address in 1891 is Water Lane.
There's this one in 1881: [EDIT: this is the same one as in 1871, posted above by Jacqueline.]
1881 England Census about Patrick Thornton Name: Patrick Thornton Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846 Relationship to Head: Head Spouse: Ann Thornton Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil Parish: Elvet County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 1 Water Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Marital Status: Married Occupation: Coal Miner <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Registration district: Durham Sub registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4954 Folio: 100 Page Number: 10 Household Members: Name Age Patrick Thornton 35 Ann Thornton 55 Barbara Thornton 11 (Plus several lodgers)
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Jacqueline
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6 Jan 2015 17:12 |
This one's a Pitman
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription New Elvet Water Lane, Elvet, Durham, England
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Patrick Thornton Head - Male 28 1843 - Ireland Transcription Elizabeth Thornton Wife - Female 20 1851 - Durham, England Transcription Bridget Thornton Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Durham, England Transcription Ann Finneran Mother - Female 44 1827 - Ireland Transcription James Brown Boarder - Male 28 1843 - Ireland Transcription Daniel McClosky Boarder - Male 50 1821 - Ireland Transcription Mary McClosky Wife Of Boarder - Female 40 1831 - Ireland Transcription Patrick Gunn Wife Of Boarder - Male 58 1813 - Ireland
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Unlikely, as in 1881 there is no child named Ann living with the family
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Jacqueline
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6 Jan 2015 17:06 |
James says in 1891 that he was born in Middlesbrough
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Jacqueline
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6 Jan 2015 17:02 |
Who witnessed the marriage?
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ArgyllGran
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6 Jan 2015 17:01 |
For our ref. are these Ann & James in 1891?
1891 England Census about Annie Pearson Name: Annie Pearson Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: James Pearson Gender: Female Where born: Durham, England Civil Parish: Stranton Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: West Hartlepool County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Registration district: Hartlepool Sub registration district: Hartlepool ED, institution, or vessel: 44 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4064 Folio: 103 Page Number: 21 Household Members: Name Age James Pearson 21 Annie Pearson 18 Francis T Pearson 8/12
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Jacqueline
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6 Jan 2015 16:59 |
For more precise location info
Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
Pearson James Hartlepool 10a 226 THORNTON Ann Hartlepool 10a 226
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Jacqueline
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6 Jan 2015 16:57 |
Try looking for Ann with her family in 1871 and 1881.
Both censuses are FREE and in full on familysearch site.
Ditto for James
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