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Patrick Thornton - Coal Hewer?

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tanglewood

tanglewood Report 6 Jan 2015 16:50

Does anyone have any information about Patrick, his wife and family, occupation,address etc ?
He is named on the Marriage Certificate of my Great Grandfather James Pearson (age 21) who married Ann Thornton (Age 18) on 26/10/1889 in the County of Durham. James father was William Pearson an Engineer, any information regarding any of these encestors would be a great help.
Regards <3

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 6 Jan 2015 16:57

Try looking for Ann with her family in 1871 and 1881.

Both censuses are FREE and in full on familysearch site.

Ditto for James

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 6 Jan 2015 16:59

For more precise location info


Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)

Pearson James Hartlepool 10a 226
THORNTON Ann Hartlepool 10a 226

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jan 2015 17:01

For our ref. are these Ann & James in 1891?


1891 England Census about Annie Pearson
Name: Annie Pearson
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Pearson
Gender: Female
Where born: Durham, England
Civil Parish: Stranton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: West Hartlepool
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Hartlepool
Sub registration district: Hartlepool
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4064
Folio: 103
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
James Pearson 21
Annie Pearson 18
Francis T Pearson 8/12

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 6 Jan 2015 17:02

Who witnessed the marriage?

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 6 Jan 2015 17:06

James says in 1891 that he was born in Middlesbrough

Jacqueline

Jacqueline Report 6 Jan 2015 17:12

This one's a Pitman

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Elvet Water Lane, Elvet, Durham, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Patrick Thornton Head - Male 28 1843 - Ireland Transcription
Elizabeth Thornton Wife - Female 20 1851 - Durham, England Transcription
Bridget Thornton Daughter - Female 2 1869 - Durham, England Transcription
Ann Finneran Mother - Female 44 1827 - Ireland Transcription
James Brown Boarder - Male 28 1843 - Ireland Transcription
Daniel McClosky Boarder - Male 50 1821 - Ireland Transcription
Mary McClosky Wife Of Boarder - Female 40 1831 - Ireland Transcription
Patrick Gunn Wife Of Boarder - Male 58 1813 - Ireland

ADDED

Unlikely, as in 1881 there is no child named Ann living with the family

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jan 2015 17:20

There's this Patrick, who's a retired coal miner, widowed, and living with his mother Ann, in 1891.
Too old to be a brother of James's wife, but maybe an uncle??


1891 England Census about Patrick Thornton
Name: Patrick Thornton
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Son
Parent's Name: Ann Thornton
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Elvetham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Oswald
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Registration district: Durham
Sub registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4099
Folio: 32
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Thornton 84
Patrick Thornton 64 coal miner (retired)
Michael Brown 36 - lodger
John Waills 25 - lodger


Address in 1891 is Water Lane.

There's this one in 1881: [EDIT: this is the same one as in 1871, posted above by Jacqueline.]

1881 England Census about Patrick Thornton
Name: Patrick Thornton
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Ann Thornton
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Elvet
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: 1 Water Lane <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Coal Miner <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Registration district: Durham
Sub registration district: St Oswald
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4954
Folio: 100
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Thornton 35
Ann Thornton 55
Barbara Thornton 11
(Plus several lodgers)

Gee

Gee Report 6 Jan 2015 17:31

Wonder if this is her baptism



Name:Anna Thornton

Gender:Female

Birth Date:17 May 1873

Baptism Date:1 Jun 1873

Baptism Place:St Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England

Father:
Patricii Thornton

Mother:
Elizabethae Booth

FHL Film Number:2082455

malyon

malyon Report 6 Jan 2015 20:37

hi
this looks like the children of ann's parents

Events Relationships Details Image

Barbara Helena Thornton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 26 April 1869
christening: 9 May 1869 St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England
residence: 1869 Durham, Durham, England
father: Patritii Thornton
mother: Elizabethae Booth

Anna Thornton
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 17 May 1873
christening: 1 June 1873 St Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England
father: Patricii Thornton
mother: Elizabethae Booth


Maria Anna Thornten
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 28 October 1866
christening: 25 November 1866 St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England
residence: 1866 Durham, Durham, England
father: Patritii Thornten
mother: Elizabethae Booth



malyon

malyon Report 6 Jan 2015 21:14

this is the 1871 census
William Pearson Self M 27 Whitby, Yorkshire
Isabella Pearson Wife F 26 Stockton, Yorkshire
Jane Ann Pearson Daughter F 4 Hartlepool, Yorkshire
William Pearson Son M 2 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
James Pearson Son M 1 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Margt Lewis Sister F 12 Hull, Yorkshire

Gee

Gee Report 6 Jan 2015 22:17

Traced what appears to her father and mom (censuses/marriage) but cannot see Ann* on the 1881 census


England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973

Name:Patricium Thornton

Gender:Male

Marriage Date:16 Dec 1865

Marriage Place:St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England

Father:
Petri Thornton Pat* <<Ireland

Spouse:
Elizabetham Booth <<<Durham

FHL Film Number:2082455

Reference ID:it 7

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jan 2015 22:19

If the births posted by Yvonne are the right family, then the 1871 and 1881 censuses posted earlier are her family.

But don't know where Anna is in 1881

Not sure about the 1891. Same street and names, but wrong ages.

Gee

Gee Report 6 Jan 2015 22:40


1851 England Census

Name:Patrick Thornton

Age:11

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1840

Relation:Son

Father's Name:
Patrick Thornton

Mother's name:
Ann Thornton

Gender:Male

Where born:Ireland

Civil Parish:Westgate

County/Island:Northumberland

Registration district:Newcastle Upon Tyne

Sub-registration district:Westgate

ED, institution, or vessel:3
Household schedule number:334
Piece:2404
Folio:516
Page Number:75

Household Members:


Patrick Thornton 45
Ann Thornton 35
Owen Thornton 17
Patrick Thornton 11 <<<<<<<<<<<<Anna' dad?


ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jan 2015 22:45

Looks good, Gins!

That would fit with the 1871 & 1881 censuses.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jan 2015 22:57

Perhaps Ann's in Ireland in 1881, visiting relatives there.

Gee

Gee Report 6 Jan 2015 23:09

AG

Yes, I thought she may be in Ireland

Buddy frustrating !!

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Jan 2015 23:35

No help with Ann(a), but this will be Patrick's brother Owen:


Marriages Dec 1858 (>99%)
McCluskey Rosanna Newcastle On Tyne 10b 204
Thornton Owen Newcastle On Tyne 10b 204



1861 England Census
about Owen Thornton
Name:
Owen Thornton
Age:
28
Estimated Birth Year:
1833
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Roseann Thornton
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Ireland
Civil Parish:
Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish:
St John
County/Island:
Northumberland
Country:
England
Registration district:
Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district:
Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel:
12
Household schedule number:
347
Piece:
3813
Folio:
52
Page Number:
53
Owen Thornton 28
Roseann Thornton 24
Margaret Thornton 1
Edward Calders 26 - boarder
James Charles 24 - boarder



1871 England Census
about Owen Thornton
Name:
Owen Thornton
Age:
37
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1834
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Rose Thornton
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Ireland
Civil Parish:
Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Matthew
Town:
Newcastle upon Tyne
County/Island:
Northumberland
Country:
England
Registration district:
Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district:
Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel:
11b
Household schedule number:
338
Piece:
5073
Folio:
83
Page Number:
12
Owen Thornton 37
Rose Thornton 30
Margt Thornton 11
Sarah Thornton 9
Ann Thornton 7
Thos Thornton 3
John Thornton 1



1881 England Census
about Owen Thornton
Name:
Owen Thornton
Age:
50
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1831
Relationship to Head:
Head
Spouse:
Rose Thornton
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Monaghan, Ireland
Civil Parish:
Westgate
County/Island:
Northumberland
Country:
England
Street address:
7 Back George Street
Marital Status:
Married
Occupation:
Iron Dresser
Registration district:
Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district:
Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel:
13b
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:
5050
Folio:
15
Page Number:
24
Owen Thornton 50
Rose Thornton 41
Margaret Thornton 21
Annie Thornton 17
Thomas Thornton 13
John Thornton 11
Edward Thornton 9
Mary E. Thornton 6
Ellen Thornton 4
Winifred Thornton 2
Joseph Thornton




1891 England Census
about Owen Thornton
Name:
Owen Thornton
Age:
60
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1831
Relation:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Rose Thornton
Gender:
Male
Where born:
Ireland
Civil Parish:
Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Matthew
County/Island:
Northumberland
Country:
England
Registration district:
Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district:
Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel:
11
Neighbors:
View others on page
Piece:
4193
Folio:
30
Page Number:
55
Owen Thornton 60
Rose Thornton 49
John Thornton 71
Edward Thornton 19
Winniefred Thornton 12
Joseph Thornton 10
Rose Thornton 7




1901 England Census
about Owen Thornton
Name:
Owen Thornton
Age:
64
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1837
Relation to Head:
Head
Gender:
Male
Spouse:
Rose Thornton
Birth Place:
Ireland
Civil Parish:
Westgate
Ecclesiastical parish:
St Matthew
County/Island:
Northumberland
Country:
England
Registration district:
Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district:
Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel:
11
Piece:
4767
Folio:
130
Page Number:
42
Household schedule number:
282
Owen Thornton 64
Rose Thornton 54
Edward Thornton 29
Annie Thornton 24
Joseph Thornton 20
William Thornton 17
James Thornton 14
Maggie Thornton 5
Rose Thornton 17



Deaths Dec 1904 (>99%)
THORNTON Owen 67 Newcastle T. 10b 41


I had wondered about this, but in view of the 1901 above, it can't be him:

Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
about Owen Thornton
Name:
Owen Thornton
Gender:
Male
Age:
68
Birth Year:
abt 1833
Relation to Head:
Head
Residence Date:
31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street:
Chapelrow
District:
Tullyish
County:
Down
Owen Thornton 68
Rose Anne Thornton 59

malyon

malyon Report 6 Jan 2015 23:44

hi

if ann thornton was 18yrs old when she married in1889 she must have been born in 1871

Anna Thornton
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name: Anna Thornton
Age (Original): 1080
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1871
Birthplace: Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Stepdaughter
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Scholar
Address: Grove Town 10 Oak St
Event Place: Pontefract, Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Record Type: Household
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 4589 /
Page Number: 36
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Anthony Mc Hale Head M 51 York, Yorkshire, England
Mary Mc Hale Wife F 45 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
William Thornton Stepson M 17 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Mary Thornton Stepdaughter F 16 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
John Thornton Stepson M 11 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Anna Thornton Stepdaughter F 10 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England
Patrick Cowley Visitor M 30 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 7 Jan 2015 11:22

From PM of thanks received from Tanglewood today, it appears he/she already has all the information we found.