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John William Warwick 1870 Greenwich |London mum Emily Ann Warwick born @ 1848/50
Baptised 9/5/1870 as John William Taylor by John and Emily Taylor of 10,Green Street Greenwich

She married John Taylor 15/2/1875
John Taylor born 1828-1877

Emily Taylor married Elias Thomas Greenaway 26/5/1878 her dad was William Warwick a gardener
1881 John Warwick down as Greenaway.

Could Violet/Maria be daughter of Henrietta before she married 1896??

Maryb.

They never signed either, blank!.

Chris :)

These are the details of John's marriage to Henrietta

Name: John Warrack occ Labourer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Age: 25
Abode: 9 Harts Lane
Spouse: Henrietta Munns
Spouse Age: 26
Abode: 5 Falcon Buildings
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 May 1896
Parish: St James the Great, Bethnal Green
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Charles Green and E. Tattersall


As Eddie has said the boxes for Father's Name and Occupation for both of them are completely blank on the image.

Edit:

Looking at the image of Marriage Cert there are other areas on it that have been left blank too!

The top part which has the year and parish details

and

More importantly there are no signatures or marks of the married couple at the bottom left hand side

How strange!

You say no parents were listed on the cert of Henrietta's marriage

What info does the cert hold?

For direct comparison with 1911

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
38, Watson Street, St Paul Deptford, Greenwich, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
John Warwick Head Married Male 30 1871 Railway Labourer Deptford, Kent, England Transcription
Henrietta Warwick Wife Married Female 32 1869 - Sittingbourne, Kent, England Transcription
Violett Munns Niece Single Female 7 1894 - Deptford, Kent, England Transcription


I can't see any scenario other than that Violet was the illegitimate child of one of Henrietta's sisters.

I'd put money on Maria

Having said that, there should still be a birth registration, and there doesn't appear to be.

For our INFO

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
38 Watson St Deptford S E, St Paul Deptford, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to household head Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
John Taylor Head Married Male 41 1870 London Deptford Platelayer Transcription
Henrietta Taylor Wife Married Female 42 1869 Kent Sissingburne - Transcription
Maria Munns Adopted Daughter Single Female 17 1894 London Deptford - Transcription

in the 1901c violet munns is living with john/Henrietta warrack but if you look in the 1911c they've changed their names to taylor on john warracks marriage cert 1896 there are no parents listed

To Tenerife Sun that is them in the registers as at time of marriage she was living at 48 Hamilton street regards ed

To Chris Ho that is the address on William james marriage cert its hard to read but it is stowage Deptford regards ed

Births Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Kelleher Ellen Greenwich 1d 978

(above possible for Ellen, 1901 1911)

Chris :)

1911 (Reference) (Find My Past)
Charles Parker Head Married Male 44 1867 Reading Berks General Labourer
Mary Ann Parker Wife Married Female 43 1868 Deptford Surry
Ellen Kellcher Stepdaughter Single Female 21 1890 Depford Hat Manufacture (looks like Kelleher)
Edward Kellcher Stepson Single Male 19 1892 Depford Carman
William Kellcher Stepson Single Male 19 1892 Appleford Berks Labourer
Fredrick Kellcher Stepson Single Male 18 1893 Peckham Surry Labourer
Florence Mary Parker Daughter - Female 13 1898 Deptford School
Harry Parker Son - Male 11 1900 Deptford School
Charles William Parker Son - Male 7 1904 Deptford School
George Stephen Parker Son - Male 5 1906 Deptford School
Alfred Earnest Parker Son - Male 5 1906 Deptford School
Albert Parker Son - Male 4 1907 Deptford -
Sidney Parker Son - Male 1 1910 Deptford
Address 2 Reginald R Deptford
Parish St Paul Deptford
County London
Registration district Greenwich
Census reference RG14PN2625 RG78PN89 RD28 SD2 ED2 SN119

(says Married 15yrs 8 children born 7 living 1 died)

edits

Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%)
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Kelleher Mary Ann St. Saviour 1d 38
Kelleper Mary Ann St. Saviour 1d 38
Parker Charles St. Saviour 1d 38


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 (Ancestry)

Name: Charles Parker (Widower)
Spouse: Mary Ann Keller (Widow)
Record Type: Banns (Sept 27 Oct 4 Oct 11)
Event Date: 11 Oct 1896
Parish: All Saints, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Register
(says married 18th Oct)

Marriages Jun 1896

MUNNS Henrietta Bethnal G. 1c 384
WARRACK John Bethnal G. 1c 384

1881 England Census

Name:Henrietta Munns

Age:14

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1867

Relationship to Head:Daughter

Father:William Munns

Mother:Elizabeth Munns

Gender:Female

Where born:Milton Rd Sittingbourne

Civil Parish:Deptford St Paul
County/Island:London
Country:England

Street address:16 Stanhope St


Registration district: Greenwich

Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford

William Munns 41

Elizabeth Munns 36

Henrietta Munns 14

Frances Munns 11

Elizabeth Munns 8

Maria Lagday Munns 6

Mary Ann Munns 1

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 701; Folio: 106; Page: 31; GSU roll: 1341164.

1871 England Census

Name:Henrietta Munn

Age:4

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1867

Relation:Daughter

Father's Name:William Munn

Mother's name:Elizabeth Munn

Gender:Female

Where born:Sittingbourne, Kent, England

Civil Parish:Milton

Ecclesiastical parish:Christchurch

County/Island:Kent
Country:England

Registration district:Gravesend

Sub-registration district:Gravesend

William Munn 30
Elizabeth Munn 26
Henrietta Munn 4
Francis Munn 1

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 891; Folio: 54; Page: 48; GSU roll: 823483.

Baptism
County Kent
Place Deptford
Church St Paul
RegisterNumber 2175
DateOfBirth 15 Dec 1897
BaptismDate 19 Jan 1898
Forename Charles William
Sex M
FatherForename Charles
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname PARKER
MotherSurname
Abode Andom Terrace
FatherOccupation Labourer

Baptism
County Kent
Place Deptford
Church St Paul
RegisterNumber 2176
DateOfBirth 15 Dec 1897
BaptismDate 19 Jan 1898
Forename Florence Mary
Sex F
FatherForename Charles
MotherForename Mary Ann
FatherSurname PARKER
MotherSurname
Abode Andom Terrace
FatherOccupation Labourer


County Kent
Place Deptford
Church Saint Nicholas
RegisterNumber 53
MarriageDate 25 Dec 1923
GroomForename Harry
GroomSurname PARKER
GroomAge 24
GroomParish Saint Nicholas
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode The Stowage, deptford
BrideForename Lydia May
BrideSurname ROBERTS
BrideAge 22
BrideParish Saint Nicholas
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideAbode The Stowage, deptford
GroomFatherForename Charles
GroomFatherSurname PARKER
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename George
BrideFatherSurname ROBERTS
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename Timothy
WitnessOneSurname KELLCHER
WitnessTwoForename George
WitnessTwoSurname ROBERTS


County Kent
Place Deptford
Church Saint Nicholas
RegisterNumber 327
MarriageDate 20 Jul 1929
GroomForename George Stephen
GroomSurname PARKER
GroomAge 23
GroomParish Saint Nicholas
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode The Stowage, deptford
BrideForename Rosetta Jane
BrideSurname BRADSHAW
BrideAge 23
BrideParish Saint Nicholas
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation
BrideAbode The Stowage, deptford
GroomFatherForename Charles
GroomFatherSurname PARKER
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename Henry William
BrideFatherSurname BRADSHAW
BrideFatherOccupation Plasterer's Labourer
WitnessOneForename James Charles
WitnessOneSurname COWELL
WitnessTwoForename Henry William
WitnessTwoSurname BRADSHAW
Notes Third and fourth Witnesses added in the next row.


(above names 1901, from below link)

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl

Chris :)

1937 William James and Violet Maria Parker were living 44 Hamilton Street, St Paul's Ward Deptford. From electoral rolls

EDIT .... In 1927 they were also in Hamilton Street but she was listed as Maria Violet.

re 1901c violet is living with john/Henrietta warwick but if you look in the 1911c she appears to be living with the same family but their name is now taylor

Violet maybe??


1901 England Census about Violett Munns
Name: Violett Munns
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation to Head: Niece
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Deptford, Kent, England
Civil Parish: St Paul
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Greenwich
Sub-registration district: Deptford Central
ED, institution, or vessel: 04
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 527
Folio: 110
Page Number: 17
Household schedule number: 121
Household Members:
Name Age
John Warwick 30
Henriette Warwick 32
Violett Munns 7*****************Neice

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Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)

Edwards Benjamin W G Jarman Greenwich 1d 2170
Jarman Grace C Edwards Greenwich 1d 2170

witnesses grace Edward Benjamin edward

Who witnessed the marriage?

'deceased' father often meant 'unknown'