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Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Broughton Johnny H Chadwick Saddleworth 9a 563

no Chadwick shown


Bessie is shown separately ............

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)
Chadwick Bessie I Broughton Saddleworth 9a 663


The page number for Johnny is wrong




but it isn't Charles!

could this be Ronald H's death?



England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 about Ronald H Booth

Name: Ronald H Booth
Birth Date: abt 1910
Date of Registration: Dec 1963
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Bucklow
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 168

Yes, I found that marriage (and possible death), so perplexed about birth, too many deaths for Ellen or Nellie in the area to confirm birth year.

I think we need Doreen to return with some more information about her Mother, such as year of birth and place, and which certificates she has or intends to order.

Have not yet looked to see if Ellen or Nellie could have been a Helen, or it was a second name.

Don't see any suitable Eleanor (or variant), nor Hel*.


Using http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1876 to 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BROUGHTON John HENSHALL Mary Altrincham, Civil Marriage Trafford ALT/11/29

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1880
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROUGHTON Charles Wilmslow Cheshire East WIL/22/47

Cheshire Death indexes for the years: 1954
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
BROUGHTON Charles - Wilmslow Cheshire East WIL/9A/26

Lymm was a subdistrict 1827-1937. In 1937, Lymm subdistrict was abolished, and Lymm fell under Knutsford subdistrict.



Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1878
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROUGHTON Harriet Cheadle Stockport GLEDHILL CHD/14/23

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years: 1881
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
BROUGHTON John Heaton Norris Stockport GLEDHILL HEA/57/47

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1876 to 1880
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BROUGHTON Thomas Edward GLEDHILL Maria Heaton Norris, Christ Church Stockport ST5/3/204

Many thanks for all the info. My mother was born in Lymm, Cheshire in 1920 her name was Ellen, she was named after her mother,Ellen Johnson. this Ellen married my grandfather Charley in 1903 in the Runcorn District. Charlie went on to marry twice more. The last time he married was in 1949. The Burgess family are unknown to me. The Nellie who was born in1901 is not my mother. i think that somewhere along the way some info was confused.I am still searching for more relatives and appreciate the help.Many thanks, Doreen.

Doreen


any confusion was caused by the fact that you did not provide and dates, and we were all fumbling around in the dark!


We do ask that all information known be provided


In addition, you called your mother Nellie, not Ellen



I guess we start back at the beginning again, and try to help you

Your mother was actually born in 1919 ........................


Runcorn is the registration district for Lymm


Births Sep 1919 (>99%)
Broughton Ellen Johnson Runcorn 8a 292




Marriages Sep 1903 (>99%)

BROUGHTON Charles Henry Runcorn 8a 462
Johnson Ellen Runcorn 8a 462

is THIS your Charles with Ellen on the 1911 Census????



He's pretty elderly!



Name: Charles Broughton
Age in 1911: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Frodingham
Civil Parish: Grappenhall
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address: Tanners Lane Grappenhall
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Teamoman On Farm <<<<< should be Teamsman
Registration district: Runcorn
Registration District Number: 446
Sub-registration district: Budworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 21613

Charles Broughton 46 Teamsman on Farm
Ellen Broughton 29 b.ca 1882, Grappenhall, Cheshire
William Johnson 52 b.ca 1859, Grappenhall, Brother-in-Law, Tanner's Labourer
Herbert Broughton 6 b.ca 1905, Walton, Lower
Dorothy Broughton 3 b.ca 1908, Walton, Lower
Charles Broughton 1/12 b.ca 1911, Grappenhall


children born alive 4, children alive 3, 1 died

I note that we should also have been looking for CHARLES HENRY Broughton, according to his marriage registration

was this Charles' last marriage in 1949???


Marriages Jun 1949 (>99%)

Broughton Charles H Read Bucklow 10a 332
Read Gertrude Broughton Bucklow 10a 332



and was this his second marriage?



Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)

BROUGHTON Charles H Fray Bucklow 8a 454
FRAY Annie Broughton Bucklow 8a 454








then who was this one???? Is he any connection to your Charles?

Marriages Dec 1919 (>99%)

Broughton Charles H Edwards Runcorn 8a 593
Edwards Annie Broughton Runcorn 8a 593

four our information ................



Frodingham, his place of birth on the 1911, is in Lincolnshire

you said Charles died in 1954 in Wilmslow, and born in Lymm ....................


and this looks like his death registration


Deaths Mar 1954 (>99%)
BROUGHTON Charles 73 Bucklow 10a 116


His age is shown as 73 ................. which gives a birth year of approximately 1881



BUT the Charles Broughton who married Ellen Johnson was born about 1865, in Frodingham, Lincolnshire




so we still have a MAJOR problem!



are you certain sure that all your information is correct?

???? Broughton - Johnson children's birth registration


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915

Name: Herbert Ellis Broughton
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Runcorn
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 212


Name: Dorothy Violet Broughton
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: Runcorn
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 199


Name: Charles H Broughton
Registration Year: 1910
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Runcorn
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 210



Name: Elizabeth A Broughton
Mother's Maiden Name: Johnson
Registration Year: 1913
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district: Runcorn
Parishes for this Registration District: View Ecclesiastical Parishes associated with this Registration District
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 409


Name: Edith Broughton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Johnson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
Registration district: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 352


Name: Ellen Broughton
Mother's Maiden Surname: Johnson
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1919
Registration district: Runcorn
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume Number: 8a
Page Number: 292




???????

Broughton - Fray child


Births Jun 1929 (>99%)
Broughton Barbara J Fray Bucklow 8a 280

I am completely frustrated with this family!



Are we looking for Charles H Broughton who married Ellen Johnson in 1903, and was apparently born in 1865 in LINCOLNSHIRE



or are we looking for Charles Broughton who died in Lymm in 1954 age 73, and thus was born approximately 1881

ON that 1911 census, Charles is from Frodsham,(NOT Frodingham) and his age looks like 26 (NOT 46)

Patchem


I checked everything on that 1911 census ............... but I forgot to check the birth place

OOPS



I did look at his age, and was a bit confused, but thought that it was indeed 46

This birth, Frodsham under Runcorn:

Births Dec 1885
Broughton Charles Henry Runcorn 8a 230

We all do OOOPS at some time

:-)

Frodsham is about 3 miles from Runcorn, and if he was indeed 26, then that makes his birth about 1885

:-)


I think I need to go to bed :-D