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I know little of this close relative appart from his name he was born and i believe married in scotland but sired an illegitimate son in the midlands in 1951 and quickly returned to scotland. I would guess that his wife and family were not aware of the illegitimate child.

I would appreciate any help anyone can give1 :-)

That's not much to go on, Patrick! I doubt if we'll be able to help.

On ScotlandsPeople website, I can't see any birth, marriage, or death (in suitable year ranges, based on the very approximate birth year you've given) of an Ian Andrew Baillie (or variant).

One birth of an Ian Baillie without any middle name, 1918, Carluke, Lanarkshire.
No marriages of an Ian Andrew, or an Ian without middle name, 1930-60.
There were three deaths of Ian Baillies, without any middle name, ranging from 1968 to 2011.

If you register with ScotlandsPeople and buy credits, you can search for yourself, and order copies of any certs you think might be relevant..

Thank you for replying. My dates were approx and I know virtually nothing of the man. and no-one who met him is alive! he apparently told people he was from scotland and did not hang around after the birth of a son. He said he was married and paid the mother to name the child the same as him Ian Andrew Baillie. He apparently briefly reaapeared after his wife died and proposed to the mother who rejected. He went away and was not heard of again. A rather sad story. I can not tie him up with any english records and do not have enough info to narrow him down to the point that certificates would help. I probably need a descendant of ian baillie with suspicians to put two and two together. Would you mind giving me the 3 death details please?
Thank you again for your help and advice Cheers Patrick :-)

The deaths as requested:

1968 BAILLIE IAN M 49 CALDERHEAD /LANARK 626/0B 0021


1992 BAILLIE IAN (other surname BAYNE) M 30 BONESS AND CARRIDEN /WEST LOTHIAN 700/00 0070

2011 BAILLIE IAN M 62 MUSSELBURGH /EAST LOTHIAN 760/00 0422


Going by age alone, it's perhaps possible that the man who died in 1968 could be the one who was born in 1918.

do you have the childs birth

Have you tried "Search All Trees" ?

If you click on Search at the top of this page, then "All members Trees", and search for Ian Baillie, born 1925 +/- 10 yrs, you'll see that Wendy has an Ian Baillie, 1918, Lanarkshire, in her tree.

Click on "Find out More" and you can ask her (tactfully!) what she knows about him.

There are three more possibilities on that search result:
Heather has an Ian Baillie 1932 Scotland; Janet has an Ian Baillie 1931 Scotland; and Pauline has Ian Baillie 1917 Scotland..

yes I know the child born Wednesbury 11 April 1951 vol 9B P1102 UNfortunately I dont know the age of father so my birth range 1915 to 1935 is estimate . It could be before 1915 which could mean a possible marriage before 1930.
Thanks for your interest

So he was registered in both parents' names:

Births Jun 1951 (>99%)
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BAILLIE Ian A MARTIN Wednesbury 9b 1102
MARTIN Ian A MARTIN Wednesbury 9b 1102

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I guess the father attended the birth registration for it to be in his name as well as the mothers - did the certificate give any further information on him?

Extending the search for a marriage for Ian Andrew Baillie, back to 1900, there's still none per SP.

Hi Margee and Flip I am a bit confused by this Does it mean the child was named Ian A Martin as well as Ian A Baillie . Does it just mean that both parents present? how would it be different if only one parent present who just named the other parent.? Cheers Patrick
Hi Argyllgran. I have already messaged these people tactfully but no reply after nearly a week! Thanks anyway reassuring that I am trying the right things! Cheers Patrick :-)

Patrick, if you look on freebmd you'll see the birth was registered under both surnames. And yes, for the father to be named he needed to present I believe - although I seem to remember somewhere in the back of my mind he could have provided his approval to be named on his child's birth but not sure about this.

A child is not given a surname, it is just the christian names recorded - then it takes one or the other surnames of the parents - so if both parents details are on the certificate then the child could be known under either name.

Thanks for looking for marriage again ArgyllGran It could mean that he was even more of a cad than i thought before ! How complete are the SP records? cheers P :-)

If I were you Patrick I'd order the birth certificate - maybe Andrew was not Ian's name, maybe that's what his mother wanted to call the child. Also there are variations on the spelling Ian, so check it out.

How reliable is your information please, it's just people fabricate or expand on stories as time goes by. Not always on purpose, but maybe they have thought it so many times they really believe it.

I did check the originals of the 2 birth registrations in the hope that there might be a note attached explaining the situation. There was nothing.

Hi Margee Thanks for this I am still a bit confused . Apparently The child Ian does not have a full birth certificate. I understand the a birth cerytificate only has space for one informant . Therefore if there were two informants does that mean that there would be two birth certificates? cheers Patrick :-)

Patrick, it sounds like he has the "short" certificate rather than the full one. It can be ordered from GRO using the details Margee has already posted - costs £9.25.

A full birth certificate has a box for fathers details as well as mothers details. There will not be 2 certificates, so place the order in either name giving the BMD index references.

ADDED: here's the link for ordering:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/GRO/content/certificates/default.asp

Flip thanks for this. i will suggest ian gets full certificate but unless it states different father details I dont think it will help with original query of finding father who might have already been married and run back to Scotland. thanks Patrick :-)

Sometimes, in Scotland Ian (sometimes spelt Iain) and John are interchangeable. My nephew named Ian was named for his father John but given Ian to avoid a wee John and big John scenario.

It may be worth checking on Scotlandspeople for an Iain Andrew or John Andrew.