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I had wondered about John instead of Ian, as rootgatherer suggests.

There are birth records for four John Andrews and two Andrew Johns, 1915 -35;
marriages for two John Andrews 1930-60; and three John Andrew deaths.

But as you don't know the names of Ian Andrew's parents, or wife, or where in Scotland he might have been born/married/died, it seems a fruitless search, Patrick . There's nothing to point to any one of them in particular.

As said before, if you buy credits on ScotlandsPeople, you can look them up if you want to, though you'd then have to buy the certs for any further details. All the records I've mentioned are too recent to be allow you to view the images online.

My concern is more for the feelings of the family of the man whose name has been
given as the putative father, and who may not know about the son born in England.

not a problem for him Gins as he would like to know about his father and what happened to him..
:-)

I don't want to be a pooper here, but the boy born in1951 is likely to be living

A breach of his privacy and a shock to family members who are not in the know

Sometimes, in Scotland Ian (sometimes spelt Iain) and John are interchangeable. My nephew named Ian was named for his father John but given Ian to avoid a wee John and big John scenario.

It may be worth checking on Scotlandspeople for an Iain Andrew or John Andrew.

Flip thanks for this. i will suggest ian gets full certificate but unless it states different father details I dont think it will help with original query of finding father who might have already been married and run back to Scotland. thanks Patrick :-)

Patrick, it sounds like he has the "short" certificate rather than the full one. It can be ordered from GRO using the details Margee has already posted - costs £9.25.

A full birth certificate has a box for fathers details as well as mothers details. There will not be 2 certificates, so place the order in either name giving the BMD index references.

ADDED: here's the link for ordering:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/GRO/content/certificates/default.asp

Hi Margee Thanks for this I am still a bit confused . Apparently The child Ian does not have a full birth certificate. I understand the a birth cerytificate only has space for one informant . Therefore if there were two informants does that mean that there would be two birth certificates? cheers Patrick :-)

I did check the originals of the 2 birth registrations in the hope that there might be a note attached explaining the situation. There was nothing.

How reliable is your information please, it's just people fabricate or expand on stories as time goes by. Not always on purpose, but maybe they have thought it so many times they really believe it.

If I were you Patrick I'd order the birth certificate - maybe Andrew was not Ian's name, maybe that's what his mother wanted to call the child. Also there are variations on the spelling Ian, so check it out.

Thanks for looking for marriage again ArgyllGran It could mean that he was even more of a cad than i thought before ! How complete are the SP records? cheers P :-)

Patrick, if you look on freebmd you'll see the birth was registered under both surnames. And yes, for the father to be named he needed to present I believe - although I seem to remember somewhere in the back of my mind he could have provided his approval to be named on his child's birth but not sure about this.

A child is not given a surname, it is just the christian names recorded - then it takes one or the other surnames of the parents - so if both parents details are on the certificate then the child could be known under either name.

Hi Margee and Flip I am a bit confused by this Does it mean the child was named Ian A Martin as well as Ian A Baillie . Does it just mean that both parents present? how would it be different if only one parent present who just named the other parent.? Cheers Patrick
Hi Argyllgran. I have already messaged these people tactfully but no reply after nearly a week! Thanks anyway reassuring that I am trying the right things! Cheers Patrick :-)

Extending the search for a marriage for Ian Andrew Baillie, back to 1900, there's still none per SP.

I guess the father attended the birth registration for it to be in his name as well as the mothers - did the certificate give any further information on him?

So he was registered in both parents' names:

Births Jun 1951 (>99%)
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BAILLIE Ian A MARTIN Wednesbury 9b 1102
MARTIN Ian A MARTIN Wednesbury 9b 1102

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yes I know the child born Wednesbury 11 April 1951 vol 9B P1102 UNfortunately I dont know the age of father so my birth range 1915 to 1935 is estimate . It could be before 1915 which could mean a possible marriage before 1930.
Thanks for your interest

Have you tried "Search All Trees" ?

If you click on Search at the top of this page, then "All members Trees", and search for Ian Baillie, born 1925 +/- 10 yrs, you'll see that Wendy has an Ian Baillie, 1918, Lanarkshire, in her tree.

Click on "Find out More" and you can ask her (tactfully!) what she knows about him.

There are three more possibilities on that search result:
Heather has an Ian Baillie 1932 Scotland; Janet has an Ian Baillie 1931 Scotland; and Pauline has Ian Baillie 1917 Scotland..

do you have the childs birth