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Dear Friends

I've been trying to find information relating my 2x great uncle. I've tracked him in the 1861, 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1911 census information but wondered if anybody could possibly help me finding out what happened to him in later years. I would like to find out when Frank and also his wife Ellen died.

Frank Sutton was born c.1861 in Wiltshire and migrated northwards with his parents and siblings to Lincolnshire and by 1911 I've found he was living 110 Winter Hey Lane Horwich, Horwich, Lancashire and was a Fruiterer.

He was married to Ellen and as far as we know he had 6 children. I would dearly like to find out more about him and his family and if his children ever married. I've tried to search for more information on the family but so far with no success.

Frank and Ellen's children's names and births were as follows:-

Ellen b.1889
Emily b.1891
Lily b.1897
Frank b.1899
May b.1906
Frederick b.1908

It would be wonderful to find that I may well have Sutton families in Lancashire as nobody ever told me about this line in my family until I personally started trying to track them down.

Thank you in anticipation of any help there might be in my search for a lost family.

Kind regards
David

Did any of the children have middle names to help with search for possible marriages?

Have you looked to see if any of them are in people's trees on here?

is this him?

Name: Frank Sutton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 11
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Gutterham, Wiltshire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Amesbury
Sub-District: Winterbourne
Parish: Winterbourne Gunner
County: Wiltshire
Household Role Gender Age Birthplace
Thomas Sutton Self M 34 Gutterham, Wiltshire
Susan Sutton Wife F 44 George Telbury, Gloucestershire
Richard Sutton Son M 16 Gutterham, Wiltshire
Fred J Sutton Son M 14 Gutterham, Wiltshire
Lucy A Sutton Daughter F 13 Gutterham, Wiltshire
Emily Sutton Daughter F 12 Gutterham, Wiltshire
Frank Sutton Son M 11 Gutterham, Wiltshire
Rowland T Sutton Son M 7 Gutterham, Wiltshire

It would be useful if you have found his birth information, and when was he married?

Thank-you

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Name: Jane E Sutton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Age: 8
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bolton
Sub-District: Horwich
Ecclesiastical Parish: Horwich St Catherines
Civil Parish: Horwich
District/Parish/County: Lancashire

Name: Lily Sutton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Age: 4
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bolton
Sub-District: Horwich
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Horwich
Civil Parish: Horwich
District/Parish/County: Lancashire

Name: Frank Sutton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 31 Mar 1901
Age: 2
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bolton
Sub-District: Horwich
Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Horwich
Civil Parish: Horwich
District/Parish/County: Lancashire

Name: May Sutton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Female
Age: 5
Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bolton
Sub-District: Horwich
Parish: Horwich
County: Lancashire

Do you think this is his birth?

Births Sep 1860
SUTTON Frank Malmesbury 5a 31

Name: Master Frederick Sutton
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1911
Gender: Male
Age: 3
Birthplace: Horwich, Lancashire
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Bolton
Sub-District: Horwich
Parish: Horwich
County: Lancashire

for our information


1911 Census


Frank Sutton 49 b.ca 1862, Wilts Snells (???)
Ellen Sutton 44 b.ca 1867, Bary St Edmunds, Suffolk, Assisting in the Business <<<<; should be Bury St Edmunds
Ellen Sutton 22 b.ca 1889, Grantham, Lancashire, Dressmaker
Emily Sutton 20 b.ca 1891, Grantham, At Home
Lily Sutton 14 b.ca 1897, Horwich, Lancashire, At Home Mother's Help
Master Frank Sutton 12 b.ca 1899, Horwich, School
May Sutton 5 b.ca 1906, Horwich, At Home
Master Frederick Sutton 3 b.ca 1908, Horwich, At Home


from image:-

Married 24 years
8 children born, 2 died, 6 still living



NOTE:-

Grantham, Lancashire should be Grantham, LINCOLNSHIRE

In 1891, Frank wa a Boiler Maker's Labourer, living in Somerby, Grantham, Lincolnshire

They had 3 children, the eldest being Lucy T (or S), b. ca 1888


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Deaths Jun 1895 (>99%)
Sutton Lucy Susannah 7 Bolton 8c 231

AnnC's posting of Jane E Sutton is a red herring ............................ she is living in Horwich but is NOT a child of Frank and Ellen

Jane Ellen Sutton is child of Thomas and Margaret Sutton

possible marriage for Frank Sutton and Ellen .................



you need to buy a birth certificate for one of the children to be absolutely certain of Ellen's maiden name


Marriages Jun 1886 (>99%)

Sutton Frank Grantham 7a 930
TUNBRIDGE Ellen Grantham 7a 930

it is difficult to find out when Frank and Ellen died .................... the names are pretty common!


and we do not know that they stayed in Horwich for the rest of their lives.


you may have to buy a marriage certificate for one or more of the children to see if Frank is shown as alive or deceased ........... although even that is not always accurate!

Wiltshire Birth indexes for the years: 1860

SUTTON Frank Malmesbury East History Centre (Mother Maiden Name) HATHWAY ME/11/190


http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/index.php


Wiltshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1854

SUTTON Thomas HATHWAY Susanna Brinkworth, St Michael History Centre C7/1/158

Chris :)

edits (the Snells)

http://www.wiltshire-opc.org.uk/Items/Brinkworth/Brinkworth%20-%20Post%20Office%20Directory%201855%20(with%20Grittenham).pdf

Sutton Thomas Farmer Snell’s Farm

Dear Friends

Firstly may I say a very big thank you for all the help you've provided, this seems to be the same information that I found too but hope that something else may come to light at some stage.

I think that you're right in saying about a marriage certificate for one of the children, I will try to find which might be the best one to send for. I'll look on FreeBMD to see if there are any marriages near to Horwich that might lead me to this family.

I have known of the link with the Wiltshire Sutton's and the Hathway's as I found these way back in 2003 when I first started my family history research. My great grandfather was born in Brinkworth and this was the very starting point for me.

My ancestors were farmers down in Wiltshire and it seems as though they left their county of origin in the early 1870's. I'm told that farming trends took a turn for the worse at that time and they migrated northwards in search of work.

Frank Sutton originally moved to Lincolnshire with his parents and siblings and they each made their way to various parts of the country. Frank ran a pub (The Lincoln Tavern) in King's Lynn and my great grandfather (Rowland Tom Sutton) held licences for the The Woolpack. Tennyson Avenue, King's Lynn 30.06.1984, the Lord Nelson. Austin St in King's Lynn 13.10.1884 and eventually holding the licence for the Carpenters Arms, East Winch near King's Lynn from 1896 - 1912 with Sophie (my great grandmother). Most of their children were born at East Winch apart from a couple who were born in King's Lynn.

Anybody interested in any of Roland Tom Sutton's history, this can be seen on the link below.

http://www.eastwinchandwestbilney.co.uk/personal-vignette/the-sutton-family

Thank you soooo much again to each and every one of you for your fantastic help you've given, I am really grateful for the information provided.

With all kind wishes
David

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Possible marriages but you need the certificates to be sure.

Lancashire Marriage indexes

1916 SUTTON Ellen HANSON Richard Horwich, St Catherine Bolton 39/1/134

1924 SUTTON Frank LONG Martha Horwich, St Catherine Bolton 39/2/138

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Again it’s a long shot

Lancashire Death indexes

1927 SUTTON Lily 30 Horwich Bolton HOR/44/252

Hello Joseph

Thanks for your help with these marriages. I think I'll send for one of those and see what it comes up with.

You've been very kind and I'll update the board once I get this through.

Take care
David