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17 Jul 2014 09:09 |
Please can someone see if they can find the Rozenberg family on passenger lists for Uk to USA about 1901. They settled in Michigan. Samson Rozenberg was one member of the family but do not know who he went with. The ship was probably the St Louis.
Thanks for your help
Jane
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17 Jul 2014 09:16 |
Hello Jane, you haven't given an age - is this a possible?
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Samson Rosenberg Gender: Male Age: 35 Birth Date: abt 1869 Departure Date: 16 Jul 1904 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: New York Master: W J Roberts
This one is a cabinet maker and is listed with Rebecca aged 26.
BUT - it looks like their names were crossed through on the actual list so the may not have boarded the ship.
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17 Jul 2014 09:20 |
Note the spelling
First name(s) SAMSON Last name ROSENBERG Gender Male Age 35 Birth year 1869 Marital status M Occupation CABINET MKR Departure year 1904 Departure day 16 Departure month 7 Departure port SOUTHAMPTON Destination port NEW YORK Destination NEW YORK Country United States Destination country United States Ship name NEW YORK************************ Ship master's first name W J Ship master's last name ROBERTS City SOUTHAMPTON Ship destination port NEW YORK Ship destination country USA Ship square feet 14870 Ship registered tonnage 4643 Number of passengers 806 Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Category Travel & migration Record collection Passenger lists Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Print individual transcription View image Print household transcription People with same last name on this voyage First name(s) Last name REBECCA ROSENBERG Image Transcription age 26 wife
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17 Jul 2014 09:20 |
What about this?
1920 United States Federal Census
Name: Sam Roseberg [Sampson Rosenberg]
Age:50
Birth Year:abt 1870
Birthplace:England
Home in 1920:Wolverine, Houghton, Michigan
Race:White
Gender:Male
Immigration Year:1902
Relation to Head of House:Head
Marital Status:Married
Spouse's Name:Mary J Roseberg
Father's Birthplace:Germany
Mother's Birthplace:England
Home Owned:Rent
Household Members:
Sam Roseberg 50 Mary J Roseberg 46 Lottie Roseberg 24 Sam Roseberg 16 Frederick C Roseberg 12 Fred Pope 29 [24]
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17 Jul 2014 09:22 |
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Victoria Street, Camborne, Redruth, Cornwall, England
Print household transcription Household Members First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital condition Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place Mary Rosenberg Head Widow Female 66 1835 - Helston, Cornwall Image Transcription Evelena Rosenberg Daughter Single Female 29 1872 Servant (Domestic) Camborne, Cornwall Image Transcription Florence Prout Grand Daughter Single Female 10 1891 - Camborne, Cornwall Image Transcription Samson Rosenberg Son Married Male 32 1869 Tin Miner Camborne, Cornwall Image Transcription Mary Rosenberg Daughter-In-Law Married Female 28 1873 - Camborne, Cornwall Image Transcription John W Rosenberg Grand Son Single Male 1 1900 - Camborne, Cornwall Image Transcription Cottie Basset Grand Daughter Single Female 5 1896 - Camborne, Cornwall Image Transcription
no marriage for his name (either spelling) on freebmd
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17 Jul 2014 09:23 |
HI
Sorry we do not know his age. Did he sail with any other members of the family? Was that the St Louis?
Thanks very much for your help MarieCeleste.
Jane
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17 Jul 2014 09:23 |
This looks to be the voyage that the man did travel on, but it would help if Jane confirmed the details that she does have for her Rozenberg ....
UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
Name: Sampson Rosenberg Gender: Male Age: 35 Birth Date: abt 1869 Departure Date: 20 Jul 1904 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: Westernland Shipping line: American Line Master: J B Hill
Travelling on the same ticket are: Rebecca Rosenberg (his wife, age 26); Simon Zimmerman; Shaie Soloway; Mendel Pompanski; Louis Ponter (all adults)
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17 Jul 2014 09:26 |
You must have some idea of when he was born, to know that he travelled
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17 Jul 2014 09:28 |
Jane, could you tell us the background you have to Samson and how you connected to him? That way we have an idea as to how to approach this to find the correct records, rather than hypothetical.
The names of the ships are shown on the records.
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17 Jul 2014 09:28 |
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription Print individual transcription View image First name(s) SAM Last name ROSENBERG Gender Male Age 26 Birth year 1876 Marital status S Occupation TAILOR Departure year 1902 Departure day 30 Departure month 8 Departure port SOUTHAMPTON Destination port NEW YORK Destination NEW YORK Country United States Destination country United States Ship name ST LOUIS**************************** Ship master's first name F Ship master's last name PASSOW City SOUTHAMPTON Ship destination port NEW YORK Ship destination country USA Ship square feet 15732 Ship registered tonnage 5894 Number of passengers 1043 Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Category Travel & migration Record collection Passenger lists Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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Print individual transcription View image Print household transcription People with same last name on this voyage First name(s) Last name BIEINE ROSENBERG
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17 Jul 2014 09:29 |
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Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription Print individual transcription View image First name(s) SAM Last name ROSENBERG Gender Male Marital status S Occupation CARPENTER Departure year 1909 Departure day 9 Departure month 10 Departure port SOUTHAMPTON Destination port NEW YORK Destination NEW YORK Country United States Destination country United States Ship name ST LOUIS********************** Ship master's first name J C Ship master's last name JAMESON Shipping line AMERICAN LINE City SOUTHAMPTON Ship destination port NEW YORK Ship destination country USA Ship square feet 19838 Ship registered tonnage 11629 Number of passengers 593 Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Category Travel & migration Record collection Passenger lists Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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17 Jul 2014 09:30 |
Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Transcription Print individual transcription View image First name(s) SAM Last name ROSENBERG Gender Male Marital status S Occupation BUTCHER Departure year 1911 Departure day 20 Departure month 10 Departure port SOUTHAMPTON Destination port NEW YORK Destination NEW YORK Country United States Destination country United States Ship name ST LOUIS**************** Ship official number 116669 Ship master's first name J C Ship master's last name JAMESON Shipping line AMERICAN LINE City SOUTHAMPTON Ship destination port NEW YORK Ship destination country USA Ship square feet 6399 Ship registered tonnage 11629 Number of passengers 293 Record set Passenger Lists leaving UK 1890-1960 Category Travel & migration Record collection Passenger lists Collections from Australasia, Great Britain, Ireland, United States Transcriptions © brightsolid online publishing ltd
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17 Jul 2014 09:31 |
Only two people with the surname as you have it travelled at any time on the St Louis. neither was named Sam*
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17 Jul 2014 09:32 |
Jane mentioned Michigan being where he settled, so is this him? (We could be on for ever!)
1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Sampson Rosenberg Age in 1910: 40 Birth Year: abt 1870 Birthplace: England Home in 1910: Calumet, Houghton, Michigan Race: White Gender: Male Immigration Year: 1893 <<<<<
Relation to Head of House: Head Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Mary Rosenberg Father's Birthplace: Germany Mother's Birthplace: England
Household Members: Name Age Sampson Rosenberg 40 - works in copper mine Mary Rosenberg 37 b England Lottie Rosenberg 14 b England John Rosenberg 10 b England Samuel Rosenberg 7 b Michigan Thomas Rosenberg 5 b Michigan Fred Rosenberg 3 b Michigan
Note the immigration year.
Sampson arrived 1893 with Mary, Lottie & John arriving 1902. They state they've been married 12 years.
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17 Jul 2014 09:36 |
Hi
Thank you Ricochet, Gins and MarieCeleste. That information is looking good. We will make a note of that information .
The information on the 1901 census is our family.
The Sampson who sailed in 1904 was married to Rebecca. The one on the 1920 census was married to Mary. So did he remarry.
There can't be many people with a name like Sampson Rosenberg ?
Thanks again
Jane
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17 Jul 2014 09:43 |
Jane, there are actually quite a few men of that name - that's why it's important you give us as much info as possible.
Given that the Samson on the 1901 was a tin miner then the 1910 & 1920 do seem likely.
Rule out the passenger lists with a Rebecca - that must be a different man. Yours was married to Mary on the 1901 and the wife is Mary on the 1910 & 1920.
The 1910 shows he immigrated 1893 but maybe that was his first trip then he went back for the family?
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17 Jul 2014 09:45 |
The problem is until recently we thought this family in a photo in Michigan were the Richards family. But it turns out that they are The Rozenberg family. The photo is of three men. ? father and two sons.
Our direct line is the Richards. The Rozenberg family married into the Richards family. Sampsons father Aaron was born in Germany. Arron was my husbands Gt Gt Grandfather.
Sorry that is all we know about the family.
Thanks for helping me
Jane
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17 Jul 2014 09:52 |
Thanks for that MarieCeleste. I will copy that information down make sense of it and see where we can go from here.
Thanks everyone for all your help
Jane
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17 Jul 2014 09:52 |
Looks like your man
Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947
Name:Samson Rosenbery
Birth Date:21 Nov 1868
Birth Place:Camborne, England
Death Date:8 Jan 1937
Death Place:Waukegan, Lake, IL, USA
Burial Date:12 Jan 1937
Burial Place:Calumet, Houghton, MI, USA
Cemetery Name:Calumet
Death Age:68
Occupation: RR Gate Tender
Race:White
Marital Status:M
Gender:Male
Residence:Kenosha, Kenosha, WI, USA
Father Name: Aaron Rosenberg
Father Birth Place:Germany
Mother Name: Mary Tregige
Mother Birth Place:England
Spouse Name:Mary Basset
FHL Film Number:1766277
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17 Jul 2014 10:19 |
Possible death for his wife
Cook County, Illinois Death Index, 1908-1988
Name:Mary Rosenberg
Death Date:14 Jan 1946
Death Location:Cook County, IL
File Number:1717
Archive Collection Name:Cook County Genealogy Records (Deaths)
Archive repository location:Chicago, IL
Archive repository name:Cook County Clerk
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