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Hi there,

Margaret Perry (c. 1822-1868) is my ancestor. She married in 1838 in Runcorn, Cheshire and on her marriage, she states her father as being Thomas Walker (so different surname on the certificate for father and daughter which is very uncommon in my experiences). In 1843, her daughter Harriet Thompson was born and Margaret is recorded as "Margaret Thompson, formerly Walker". With this in mind, I can't find a baptism for Margaret, who according to the census was born in Runcorn. Can someone here help me find a baptism (perhaps it is mistrancribed)?

I then found on the census a Thomas and Annie Walker living in Runcorn, Cheshire in the 1851. This seems to be their marriage:

Ann Perry

England Marriages, 1538–1973

marriage: 13 December 1824 St. Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

spouse: Thomas Walker

With this, would you suggest that Margaret is the biological daughter of Thomas Walker, or an adopted daughter?

Thank you,

Peter

If he was the only father she had known, she may have just named him rather than put Not known

Sounds as if she's Ann Perry's daughter, and therefore step-daughter of Thomas.
Not necessarily adopted by him - she may just have taken his name.

For our ref, here's her marriage:


England, Select Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900 about Margaret Perry
Name: Margaret Perry
[Margaret Walker]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 1821
Marriage Date: 19 Mar 1838
Marriage Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Marriage Age: 17
Father: Thomas Walker
Spouse: Samuel Tompson
FHL Film Number: 1836130

Name: Samuel Tompson
Birth Date: 1818
Birthplace:
Age: 20
Spouse's Name: Margaret Perry
Spouse's Birth Date: 1821
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age: 17
Event Date: 1838
Event Place: Runcorn Parish
Father's Name: Philip Tompson
Spouse's Father's Name: Thomas Walker
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75104-7
System Origin: England-VR
GS Film number: 1836130
Reference ID: 2:3PS8ZVH

I agree with ArgyllGran. I would think she was the daughter of Ann Perry and named Thomas as her father as he was the only father she knew.

Kath. x

She didn't take his name if she married in her birth name

I have one whose baptism I have found with only mother named...so obviously illigitamate.... then when she marries she names some man with a different surname, but up till now have not found a marriage for her mother to this man, so don't know if he was her step father or the man she was told was her father

Name: Margaret Perry
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 24 Sep 1820
Baptism Place: Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Father: George Perry
Mother: Margaret
FHL Film Number: 1836129

Thank you for your opinions. Much appreciated.

I am still searching for the baptism of Margaret Perry but can't spot anything specifically.

Thank you again for your opinions.

There are these but surely neither of these can relate?

Margaret Perry

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 8 April 1821 St. Peters, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
residence: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

father: Thomas Perry
mother: Hannah

And another:

Margaret Walker

England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

christening: 11 August 1822 Garston, Lancashire, England
residence: Garston, Lancashire, England

father: Thos. Walker
mother: Anne

Maybe there isn't a baptism? it wasn't compulsary

Name: Margaret Perry
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 24 Sep 1820
Event Place: All Saints, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: George Perry
Mother's Name: Margaret Perry


GS Film number:1656552, Digital Folder Number:004018387, Image Number:00754

Name: Charles Parry
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 16 May 1824
Christening Place: All Saints Runcorn, Chester, England
Father's Name: George Parry
Mother's Name: Margaret


Indexing Project (Batch) Number:C86636-8, System Origin:England-ODM, GS Film number:

Name: William Parry
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 01 Mar 1818
Event Place: All Saints, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Gender: Male
Father's Name: George Parry
Mother's Name: Margaret


GS Film number:1836129, Digital Folder Number:004011907, Image Number:00779

Name: Mary Parry
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 01 Mar 1818
Event Place: All Saints, Runcorn, Cheshire, England
Gender: Female
Father's Name: George Parry
Mother's Name: Margaret


GS Film number:2186943, Digital Folder Number:004019118, Image Number:

That's true Jax, but seems odd when her siblings or half siblings were baptised.

And thank you Ann ... not sure if those entries pertain BUT they are probably connected somehow. Will have a look.

I have found 14 out of 15 (1 must of died soon after birth) of my grandmothers siblings baptisms but not one for her....Her parents moved from Islington to Walthamstow when she was born so would not be on the London baptisms....but checked on Seax for Essex records....still nothing

So have a feeling they didn't bother with her...different church ect

Also if your Margaret was illigitamate, maybe the Vicar wasn't keen to baptise her?

True Jax, thanks for sharing.

1861
Street Fryer Street
Parish Runcorn
City or borough -
Town -
County Cheshire
Country England
Municipal ward -
Parliamentary borough -
Hamlet -
Ecclesiastical district Parochial All Saints Church
Registration district Runcorn
Enumeration district 10
Piece number 2598 Folio number 58 Page number 4

Samuel Thompson Head Married Male 43 1818 Labourer At Drapery FRODSHAM, CHESHIRE
Margaret Thompson Wife Married Female 39 1822 - RUNCORN, CHESHIRE
Harriet Thompson Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 - RUNCORN, CHESHIRE
Louise Thompson Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 - RUNCORN, CHESHIRE
Frederick Thompson Son - Male 15 1846 - RUNCORN, CHESHIRE
Alfred W Thompson Son - Male 11 1850 Scholar RUNCORN, CHESHIRE
Emily Ann Thompson Granddaughter - Female 7m 1860 - RUNCORN, CHESHIRE


Using one of the local indexes at:
In this case http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1838
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
TOMPSON Samuel PERRY Margaret Runcorn, All Saints Halton C12/1/32

Cheshire Birth indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Mother's Maiden Name Reference
1837-9 THOMPSON Mary Runcorn Halton PERRY RUN/2/36
1840-5 THOMPSON Caroline Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/3/25
1840-5 THOMPSON Harriet Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/4/77
1840-5 THOMPSON Louisa Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/5/92
1846-50 THOMPSON Frederick Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/7/25
1846-50 THOMPSON Sophia Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/9/24
1846-50 THOMPSON Matilda Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/10/83
1851 THOMPSON Alfred William Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/12/45
1853 THOMPSON Emily Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/13/99
1856 THOMPSON Mary Runcorn Halton WALKER RUN/17/32
1860 THOMPSON Emily Ann Runcorn Halton THOMPSON RUN/21/79


Cheshire Death indexes for the years:
Surname Forename(s) Age Sub-District Registers At Reference
1839 THOMPSON Mary 0 Runcorn Halton RUN/2/11
1847 THOMPSON Caroline 6 Runcorn Halton RUN/5/74
1849 THOMPSON Sophia 1 Runcorn Halton RUN/7/29
1851 THOMPSON Matilda 1 Runcorn Halton RUN/8/10
1856 THOMPSON Mary 0 Runcorn Halton RUN/11/21
1858 THOMPSON Emily 5 Runcorn Halton RUN/12/35
1861 THOMPSON Emily Ann 0 Runcorn Halton RUN/14/11
1868 THOMPSON Margaret 47 Runcorn Halton RUN/19/28

As you'll have noticed, the local index contains info that is not found in the GRO index.
It has to contain the subdistrict/church, but this can be hidden in a code in the local ref, and isn't always made explicit, like here.
This local index has some extra info, like the mum's maiden surname pre-1911, and the age at death pre-1866.

NB If you look up the film # in the FS catalog, it tells you what church record was being filmed.