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Derek
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29 Apr 2014 12:33 |
Edith [b 7th April 1888 in Reigate cert] was the first wife of my Grand father. They married [27th March 1909 cert]. My grandfather married his second wife on 27th May1916 and said he was a widower on the marriage cert. I am unable to find a death certificate for Edith. Can any one help please. :-(
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PricklyHolly
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29 Apr 2014 12:46 |
I'm not seeing a birth for an Edith Janet May Steadman in 1888..........and I can't see a marriage for her in 1909 ???
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safc
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29 Apr 2014 12:51 |
Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%) PULLEN Herbert Alfred Reigate 2a 303 ROBERTSON Norman Scott Reigate 2a 303 STEDMAN Edith Janet M Reigate 2a 303 xxxx TOE Kate Florence Gravesend 2a 303 TOMKINS Charles Payne Croydon 2a 303 WOOD Mary Wilhelmina Reigate 2a 303
Births Jun 1888 (>99%) STEDMAN Edith Janet M Reigate 2a 165
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PricklyHolly
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29 Apr 2014 12:55 |
No wonder............her surname was Stedman!!!
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PricklyHolly
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29 Apr 2014 13:01 |
Surrey, England, Baptisms, 1813-1912 about Edith Janet May Stedman Name:Edith Janet May Stedman Baptism Date:4 May 1893 Archive Provided Parish:Reigate, St Philip Parish as it Appears:Reigate, St Mark Father:Hazel Stedman (Publican) Nutley Lane Mother:Ellen Stedman Reference Number:7566/1/5
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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29 Apr 2014 13:03 |
have you found them on the 1911 census ?
just posting Herbert's birth as a ref
Births Dec 1882 Pullen Herbert Alfred Cuckfield 2b 168
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MargaretM
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29 Apr 2014 13:10 |
Is this them? If so she was born 1886:
1911 England Census about Edith Pullen Name: Edith Pullen Age in 1911: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation to Head: Wife Gender: Female Birth Place: London, United Kingdom Civil Parish: Plumstead County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 127 Burrage Road, Plumstead, Woolwich Marital Status: Married Years Married: 1 Estimated Marriage Year: 1910 Registration district: Woolwich Registration District Number: 30 Sub-registration district: Plumstead West ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 2887 Household Members: Name Age Herbert William Pullen 31 , postman, born Chatham, Kent Edith Pullen 25 Arthur Herbert Pullen 0 , born Woolwich, Kent Married 1 year, 1 child, he's 5 months old.
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Astra
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29 Apr 2014 13:29 |
Was he a Butcher by trade?
This one is married but there is no sign of a wife!
Name: Herbert Pullen Age in 1911: 30 Estimated birth year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Oxfordshire, England [Brighton, Sussex] Civil Parish: Brighton County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: 41 Jersey Street Brighton Marital Status: Married Occupation: Butcher Registration district: Brighton Registration District Number: 79 Sub-registration district: East Brighton ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 47 Piece: 5101 Household Members: Name Age William Pullen 55 Martha Pullen 55 >>Herbert Pullen 30 Gilbert Pullen 18 Percy Pullen 12
married Lily J Berry in Brighton in 1916 but appears to have had children with her from 1914 and died in 1959.
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PricklyHolly
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29 Apr 2014 14:41 |
The only Pullen /Berry births I can see are in Dudley from 1922 onwards??
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alviegal
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29 Apr 2014 16:03 |
England & Wales births 1837-2006 Transcription Print this page View image First Name EDITH JANET M Last Name STEDMAN Mother's Maiden Name - Year 1888 Event Quarter 2 Month of Registration - Country England County Surrey District REIGATE Volume 2A Page 168 Line Number 27
1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print this page View image First Name EDETH J M Last Name STEDMAN Relationship DAUGHTER Condition SINGLE Gender Female Age 12 Year Of Birth 1889 Occupation - Birth Town REIGATE Birth County SURREY Birth Place - Street NUTLEY LANE Town - Parish REIGATE City - Country ENGLAND County Surrey Vessel Name - Municipal Ward SOUTH WEST Registration District REIGATE Archive Reference RG13 Piece Number 628 Folio 75 Page 29
CHARLES BARNES LODGER 35 1866 REIGATE Image Transcription JAMES E BEADELL LODGER 25 1876 WESTCOTT Image Transcription JOHN EDWIN LODGER 56 1845 REIGATE Image Transcription WILLIAM JOHNSON LODGER 62 1839 LAMBETH Image Transcription CHARLES W KATES LODGER 24 1877 SOUTHBOROUGH Image Transcription GEORGE KILLICK LODGER 45 1856 REIGATE Image Transcription DAVID W PITT GRAND SON 8 1893 REIGATE Image Transcription GILES J PITT GRAND SON 6 1895 REIGATE Image Transcription HARRIETT PITT DAUGHTER 29 1872 OCKLEY Image Transcription GEORGE SPENCER LODGER 20 1881 S PANCRAS Image Transcription >>ALBERT C F STEDMAN SON 11 1890 REIGATE Image Transcription >>ELLEN STEDMAN WIFE 52 1849 ABINGER Image Transcription >>HAZZEL STEDMAN HEAD 64 1837 OCKLEY Image Transcription >>JOHN J C STEDMAN SON 19 1882 CAPEL Image Transcription JOHN TAYLOR LODGER 50 1851 EAST CHANDON Image Transcription THOMAS TAYLOR LODGER 47 1854 BROCKHAM HURST Image Transcription GEORGE THOMAS LODGER 45 1856 BIRMINGHAM
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Astra
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29 Apr 2014 17:02 |
She had been married before Prickles in 1898 to George Berry. Her maiden name was Store.
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PricklyHolly
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29 Apr 2014 17:10 |
Ah, that would explain it then. :-D
I did wonder if Edith was in an institution in 1911.
I searched using just her initials..........but didn't find anything positive. :-(
Have you found her on the 1911 census Derek???
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PricklyHolly
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29 Apr 2014 20:37 |
Hello..........????
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alviegal
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29 Apr 2014 20:59 |
The 1911 posted by Margee appears to be this man, son of John Alfred and Elizabeth Ann .
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Herbert William Pullen Name: Herbert William Pullen Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1879 Registration district: Medway Inferred County: Kent Volume: 2a Page: 555
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Astra
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30 Apr 2014 06:49 |
Wondering about this person
Name: May Steadman Age in 1911: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Boarder Gender: Female Birth Place: Reigate Civil Parish: Reigate County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 15 Lyndale Road, Redhill Marital Status: Single Occupation: Dress Maker Household Members: Name Age Peter Graffham 60 Susan Graffham 58 William Graffham 28 Lucy Stemp 16 Maggie Stemp 13 >>>May Steadman 23
Edith isn't listed with her family in 1891. Struggling to find her.
Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%) MOOR Ellen Dorking 2a 143 Moore Ellen Dorking 2a 143 Stedman Hazael Dorking 2a 143
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MarieCeleste
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30 Apr 2014 09:43 |
According to a tree on Ancestry, the Herbert Alfred Pullen who was born 1882 in Cuckfield, Sussex was the son of William Pullen and Martha Adelia Bailey.
Apparently he was known as Bertie (and is named thus on the 1891 census).
They have this marriage attached:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
Name: Bertie Pullen - a soldier, 116 Walmer Road, Notting Hill Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Age: 31 Spouse Name: Alice Elizabeth Griggs Spouse Age: 29 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 10 Nov 1918 Parish: Notting Hill St Clement Borough: Kensington and Chelsea Father Name: William Pullen (Deceased) Labourer Spouse Father: Frederick Griggs Register Type: Parish Register
Neither previously married. One of the witnesses is a Grace Pullen ...................................................................................................................
They also have these service records attached:
British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 Name: Bertie Pullen Regimental Number: 2493 Number of Images: 7
The service records confirms the marriage in 1918 but had previous nok as mother Mary Ann.
EDIT: The tree owner should have picked this birth up instead:
London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 Name: Bertie Pullen Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 1 May 1889 Father's Name: William Pullen Mother's name: Mary Ann Pullen Parish or Poor Law Union: Wandsworth All Saints Borough: Wandsworth Register Type: Parish Registers ........................................................................................................................
I think that the tree owner has latched onto the wrong "Bertie" but the background still needs tidying up in order to answer Derek's request as to what happened to Edith.
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Astra
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30 Apr 2014 10:03 |
I think that is definitely the wrong Bertie. Herbert's father, William in Brighton was a Journeyman Butcher.
Have sent Derek a message asking him to return to this thread.
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PricklyHolly
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30 Apr 2014 10:32 |
Not that it helps..........
Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937 about William Pullen (Batchelor) Butcher... Age:Full Age Marriage Date:6 Feb 1876 Archive Provided Parish:Reigate, St Mary Parish as it Appears:Reigate Spouse:Martha Adelia Bailey (Spinster) Spouse Age:Full Age Father:William Pullen (Butcher) Spouse Father:John Bailey (Inn Keeper) Reference Number:P49/1/18 Witnesses: Charles (Arnand??) and Laura Bailey
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Astra
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30 Apr 2014 11:50 |
I've come to the conclusion that Mabel in the 1891 census is in fact Edith. There is one birth registered for Mabel Eliza Stedman but she is the daughter of Frank and Catherine in Redhill. This family seem to have a habit of naming their children and then putting them down using a middle or some other name. It is of no consequence but she may be calling herself Mabel in 1911.
Name: Mabel Stedman Age: 3 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Hazel Stedman Mother's name: Ellen Stedman Gender: Female Where born: Reigate, Surrey, England Civil Parish: Reigate Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark Town: Reigate County/Island: Surrey Household Members: Name Age Hazel Stedman 54 Ellen Stedman 46 Maud Stedman 22 Edward Stedman 21 Henry Stedman 19 Bertha Stedman 17 Lily Stedman 12 William Stedman 10 Jack Stedman 7 Mabel Stedman 3
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Cynthia
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30 Apr 2014 13:50 |
Hello Derek and welcome to the Community Boards..... :-)
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