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Colin
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28 Apr 2014 15:54 |
Hi I am trying to help a brother in law tracing some of his background. His grand parents were James Lacey, Bn 1892, Liverpool area, and Winifred Ruth Peters Bn 1896, Salford area. It is known that they had several children but we are unable to find a marriage record for them.Any help on this would be very much appreciated, and especially any further background / history on the Lacey family. Many thanks for any help.
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Maddie
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28 Apr 2014 15:58 |
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England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about James Lacey Name: James Lacey Gender: Male Marriage Date: 21 May 1910 Marriage Place: St Columba'S Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Father: George Lacey Spouse: Ruth Peters FHL Film Number: 1656155
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KathleenBell
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28 Apr 2014 16:08 |
This looks like Lucy in the 1911 census. She is married but with her parents (no sign of James):-
First Name RUTH Last Name LACEY Relationship DAUGHTER Condition MARRIED Gender Female Year Of Birth 1891 Age 20 Occupation - Address 7 DANSIE STREET LIVERPOOL Parish LIVERPOOL County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Where Born LIVERPOOL LANC Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 22176 Census Reference RG14PN22176 RG78PN1313 RD453 SD3 ED2 SN302 Registration District LIVERPOOL Registration District Number 453 Sub District ABERCROMBY Enumeration District 2 SubDistrict Number 3 Folio - Page - Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Other Household Members First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Where Born
ELLEN LACEY DAUGHTER 1904 LIVERPOOL LANC ALICE PETERS DAUGHTER 1900 LIVERPOOL LANC CHARLES PETERS HEAD 1870 LIVERPOOL LANC ELLEN PETERS WIFE 1872 LIVERPOOL LANC JANE PETERS DAUGHTER 1894 LIVERPOOL LANC ELLEN TURNER MOTHER IN LAW - -
Lucy is married for one year and has one child.
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Maddie
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28 Apr 2014 16:12 |
1891 ????
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription Print this page View image First Name JAMES Last Name LACEY Relationship SON Condition - Gender Male Year Of Birth 1887 Age 4 Occupation - Birth Town - Birth County LANCASHIRE Birth Place - House Name 21 COURT Street MANN STREET Town - Parish TOXTETH PARK City LIVERPOOL County Lancashire Registration District TOXTETH PARK Vessel Name - Archive Reference RG12 Piece Number 2926 Folio 39 Page 20 Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Category Census, land & surveys Record collection Census Collections from Great Britain
Print this page View image Other Household Members First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age EMMA LACEY DAUGHTER 1878 13 Image Transcription GEORGE LACEY HEAD 1851 40 Image Transcription GEORGE LACEY SON 1884 7 Image Transcription HELEN LACEY DAUGHTER 1883 8 Image Transcription HENRY LACEY SON 1880 11 Image Transcription HERBERT T LACEY ADOPTED SON 1870 21 Image Transcription MARY LACEY DAUGHTER 1890 1 Image Transcription SARAH LACEY WIFE 1859 32
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KathleenBell
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28 Apr 2014 16:12 |
This looks like James staying with his parents in the 1911 census:-
First Name JAMES Last Name LACEY Relationship SON Condition MARRIED Gender Male Year Of Birth 1888 Age 23 Occupation DOCK LABOURER Address 8 PARK STREET TOXTETH PARK LIVERPOOL Parish TOXTETH PARK County Lancashire Country ENGLAND Where Born LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH Year Of Marriage - Years Of Marriage - Archive Reference RG14 Piece Number 22249 Census Reference RG14PN22249 RG78PN1315 RD454 SD2 ED22 SN28 Registration District TOXTETH PARK Registration District Number 454 Sub District TOXTETH PARK SOUTH WEST Enumeration District 22 SubDistrict Number 2 Folio - Page - Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales
Other Household Members First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age Where Born
MARTHA COVENTRY BOARDER 1853 58 FARRINGTON ELLEN HUGHES DAUGHTER 1885 26 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH MARY HUGHES G DAUG 1910 1 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH SARAH HUGHES G DAUG 1903 8 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH WILLIAM HUGHES GRANDSON 1908 3 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH GEORGE LACEY HEAD 1847 64 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH JOHN LACEY SON 1898 13 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH MARGARET LACEY DAUGHTER 1892 19 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH SARAH LACEY WIFE 1861 50 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH SARAH LACEY DAUGHTER 1896 15 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
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Maddie
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28 Apr 2014 16:14 |
1911 ????
1911 England Census about James Lacey Name: James Lacey Age in 1911: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1888 Relation to Head: Son Gender: Male Birth Place: Liverpool, Louth, Ireland Civil Parish: Toxteth Park County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: 8 Park St Marital Status: Married -------------------------------- Occupation: Dock Labourer Registration district: Toxteth Park Registration District Number: 454 Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park South West ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Piece: 22249 Household Members: Name Age George Lacey 64 Sarah Lacey 50 James Lacey 23 Margaret Lacey 19 Sarah Lacey 15 John Lacey 13 Ellen Hughes 26 William Hughes 3 Sarah Hughes 8 Mary Hughes 1 Martha Coventry 58 View image
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safc
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28 Apr 2014 16:15 |
Marriage: 21 May 1910 St Columba, Liverpool, Lancashire, England James Lacey - 22, Labourer, Bachelor, 7 Dantzic St. Ruth Peters - 19, Spinster, 8 Dantzic St. Groom's Father: George Lacey, Labourer Bride's Father: Charles Edward Peters, Butcher Witness: Walter Roberts; Jane Peters Married by Banns by: Gibson Downing Vicar Register: Marriages 1859 - 1930, Page 165, Entry 329 Source: LDS Film 1656155
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Andrew
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28 Apr 2014 16:16 |
Are you sure you have correct details?
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peters Winifred Ruth 0 Salford 8d 124
More likely James married this Ruth
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1890 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peters Ruth Liverpool 8b 99
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KathleenBell
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28 Apr 2014 16:23 |
Are you certain that James Lacey's wife was called Winifred Ruth Peters?
If so then I don't think the above is correct as there is a birth for a Winifred Ruth Peters in 1896 in Salford (don't think she would be marrying in 1910) but there is also a birth for a Ruth Peters in 1890 in Liverpool which would be right for the above information.
EDIT - sorry Andrew, I didn't refresh the page before replying so didn't see your post. Looks like we have both come to the same conclusion though.
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Colin
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28 Apr 2014 16:25 |
WOW, thank you so very much to Maddie and Kathleen you are gems. this will take some digesting. Edit, also to Andy and Safc
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KathleenBell
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28 Apr 2014 16:27 |
See the above posts Colin. Looks like you may have the wrong spouse for James Lacey.
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KathleenBell
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28 Apr 2014 16:30 |
I think that might be a different Winifred Maddie. Winifred Ruth Peters who was born in Salford in 1896 also died the same year in Salford. (see Andrew's post).
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PricklyHolly
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28 Apr 2014 16:34 |
The James that married Ruth in 1910........was age 22 at time of marriage (Born 1888)
Ruth was 19 (Born 1891)
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Colin
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28 Apr 2014 16:45 |
I believe you are correct about me having the wrong spouse, it seems like I unintentionally threw a ""curved ball, very sorry. We are aware of some of the children of this marriage, Being, Agnes M Lacey , Charles Albert Lacey, Sarah Lacey, James Lacey and maybe more.
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Andrew
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28 Apr 2014 16:48 |
1891
Peters on image
Thomas Turner 48 Ellen Turner 46 Annie Turner 19 William Turner 13 Mary I Turner 15 May Turner 11 Man Turner 20 Charles Peters 22 >>>> Ruth Turner 6/12
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KathleenBell
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28 Apr 2014 17:02 |
These are all possible children of your couple:-
LACEY AGNES M 1925 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
LACEY AMY 1912 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
LACEY CHARLES A 1920 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
LACEY FRANCES 1936 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Liverpool South, Lancashire, England
LACEY JAMES 1913 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
LACEY JAMES 1915 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
LACEY SARAH A 1922 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Liverpool, Lancashire, England
The first James in this list born 1913 died in the same year so they probably named the second James after him (or the father).
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PricklyHolly
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28 Apr 2014 17:58 |
No idea if it's relevant but....
On the 1891 that Andrew posted...
Above Charles Peters (Son in Law....Occupation Carter)...is Man Turner.
Man Turner on the image is actually........Ellen Peters....married daughter.
Ellen's Father Thomas is a.....Master Coffee Roaster
?? Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%) PETERS Charles West Derby 8b 648 Turner Ellen W. Derby 8b 648
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Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921 about Charles Peters (Bachelor) Carter Birth Year:abt 1868 Age:21 Marriage Date:25 Dec 1889 Res for both....57 Potter??? Street Parish:Everton, Christ Church Spouse's Name:Ellen Turner (Spinster) Father's Name:Joseph Peters (Carpenter) Spouse Father's Name:Thomas Turner (Coffee Maker) Witnesses: Charles (Rekorasdrore????) and Jane (Clough???)
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jansmith
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28 Apr 2014 17:59 |
when /where did they die?
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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28 Apr 2014 18:30 |
Has anyone pm'd the image of the marriage certificate?
Jude
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Colin
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28 Apr 2014 18:32 |
I think most of them died in the Eastbourne area.
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