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Hi
I am trying to help a brother in law tracing some of his background. His grand parents were James Lacey, Bn 1892, Liverpool area, and Winifred Ruth Peters Bn 1896, Salford area. It is known that they had several children but we are unable to find a marriage record for them.Any help on this would be very much appreciated, and especially any further background / history on the Lacey family.
Many thanks for any help.

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England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973 about James Lacey
Name: James Lacey
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 21 May 1910
Marriage Place: St Columba'S Church, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father: George Lacey
Spouse: Ruth Peters
FHL Film Number: 1656155

This looks like Lucy in the 1911 census. She is married but with her parents (no sign of James):-

First Name RUTH
Last Name LACEY
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition MARRIED
Gender Female
Year Of Birth 1891
Age 20
Occupation -
Address 7 DANSIE STREET LIVERPOOL
Parish LIVERPOOL
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Where Born LIVERPOOL LANC
Year Of Marriage -
Years Of Marriage -
Archive Reference RG14
Piece Number 22176
Census Reference RG14PN22176 RG78PN1313 RD453 SD3 ED2 SN302
Registration District LIVERPOOL
Registration District Number 453
Sub District ABERCROMBY
Enumeration District 2
SubDistrict Number 3
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Where Born

ELLEN LACEY DAUGHTER 1904 LIVERPOOL LANC
ALICE PETERS DAUGHTER 1900 LIVERPOOL LANC
CHARLES PETERS HEAD 1870 LIVERPOOL LANC
ELLEN PETERS WIFE 1872 LIVERPOOL LANC
JANE PETERS DAUGHTER 1894 LIVERPOOL LANC
ELLEN TURNER MOTHER IN LAW - -

Lucy is married for one year and has one child.

Kath. x

1891 ????

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
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First Name JAMES
Last Name LACEY
Relationship SON
Condition -
Gender Male
Year Of Birth 1887
Age 4
Occupation -
Birth Town -
Birth County LANCASHIRE
Birth Place -
House Name 21 COURT
Street MANN STREET
Town -
Parish TOXTETH PARK
City LIVERPOOL
County Lancashire
Registration District TOXTETH PARK
Vessel Name -
Archive Reference RG12
Piece Number 2926
Folio 39
Page 20
Record set 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Record collection Census
Collections from Great Britain

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Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age
EMMA LACEY DAUGHTER 1878 13
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GEORGE LACEY HEAD 1851 40
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GEORGE LACEY SON 1884 7
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HELEN LACEY DAUGHTER 1883 8
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HENRY LACEY SON 1880 11
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HERBERT T LACEY ADOPTED SON 1870 21
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MARY LACEY DAUGHTER 1890 1
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SARAH LACEY WIFE 1859 32

This looks like James staying with his parents in the 1911 census:-

First Name JAMES
Last Name LACEY
Relationship SON
Condition MARRIED
Gender Male
Year Of Birth 1888
Age 23
Occupation DOCK LABOURER
Address 8 PARK STREET TOXTETH PARK LIVERPOOL
Parish TOXTETH PARK
County Lancashire
Country ENGLAND
Where Born LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
Year Of Marriage -
Years Of Marriage -
Archive Reference RG14
Piece Number 22249
Census Reference RG14PN22249 RG78PN1315 RD454 SD2 ED22 SN28
Registration District TOXTETH PARK
Registration District Number 454
Sub District TOXTETH PARK SOUTH WEST
Enumeration District 22
SubDistrict Number 2
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales

Other Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Year Of Birth Age Where Born

MARTHA COVENTRY BOARDER 1853 58 FARRINGTON
ELLEN HUGHES DAUGHTER 1885 26 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
MARY HUGHES G DAUG 1910 1 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
SARAH HUGHES G DAUG 1903 8 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
WILLIAM HUGHES GRANDSON 1908 3 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
GEORGE LACEY HEAD 1847 64 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
JOHN LACEY SON 1898 13 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
MARGARET LACEY DAUGHTER 1892 19 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
SARAH LACEY WIFE 1861 50 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH
SARAH LACEY DAUGHTER 1896 15 LANCS LIVERPOOL SOUTH

Kath. x

1911 ????

1911 England Census about James Lacey
Name: James Lacey
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Louth, Ireland
Civil Parish: Toxteth Park
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 8 Park St
Marital Status: Married --------------------------------
Occupation: Dock Labourer
Registration district: Toxteth Park
Registration District Number: 454
Sub-registration district: Toxteth Park South West
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 22249
Household Members:
Name Age
George Lacey 64
Sarah Lacey 50
James Lacey 23
Margaret Lacey 19
Sarah Lacey 15
John Lacey 13
Ellen Hughes 26
William Hughes 3
Sarah Hughes 8
Mary Hughes 1
Martha Coventry 58

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Marriage: 21 May 1910 St Columba, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Lacey - 22, Labourer, Bachelor, 7 Dantzic St.
Ruth Peters - 19, Spinster, 8 Dantzic St.
Groom's Father: George Lacey, Labourer
Bride's Father: Charles Edward Peters, Butcher
Witness: Walter Roberts; Jane Peters
Married by Banns by: Gibson Downing Vicar
Register: Marriages 1859 - 1930, Page 165, Entry 329
Source: LDS Film 1656155

Are you sure you have correct details?


Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page

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Deaths Sep 1896 (>99%)
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Peters Winifred Ruth 0 Salford 8d 124


More likely James married this Ruth

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Dec 1890 (>99%)
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Peters Ruth Liverpool 8b 99


Andy

Are you certain that James Lacey's wife was called Winifred Ruth Peters?

If so then I don't think the above is correct as there is a birth for a Winifred Ruth Peters in 1896 in Salford (don't think she would be marrying in 1910) but there is also a birth for a Ruth Peters in 1890 in Liverpool which would be right for the above information.

EDIT - sorry Andrew, I didn't refresh the page before replying so didn't see your post. Looks like we have both come to the same conclusion though.

Kath. x

WOW, thank you so very much to Maddie and Kathleen you are gems. this will take some digesting.
Edit, also to Andy and Safc

See the above posts Colin. Looks like you may have the wrong spouse for James Lacey.

Kath. x

I think that might be a different Winifred Maddie. Winifred Ruth Peters who was born in Salford in 1896 also died the same year in Salford. (see Andrew's post).

Kath. x

The James that married Ruth in 1910........was age 22 at time of marriage (Born 1888)

Ruth was 19 (Born 1891)

I believe you are correct about me having the wrong spouse, it seems like I unintentionally threw a ""curved ball, very sorry. We are aware of some of the children of this marriage, Being, Agnes M Lacey , Charles Albert Lacey, Sarah Lacey, James Lacey and maybe more.

1891

Peters on image

Thomas Turner 48
Ellen Turner 46
Annie Turner 19
William Turner 13
Mary I Turner 15
May Turner 11
Man Turner 20
Charles Peters 22
>>>> Ruth Turner 6/12

These are all possible children of your couple:-

LACEY AGNES M 1925 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Liverpool, Lancashire, England

LACEY AMY 1912 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

LACEY CHARLES A 1920 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

LACEY FRANCES 1936 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Liverpool South, Lancashire, England

LACEY JAMES 1913 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

LACEY JAMES 1915 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

LACEY SARAH A 1922 — England & Wales births 1837-2006 Liverpool, Lancashire, England

The first James in this list born 1913 died in the same year so they probably named the second James after him (or the father).

Kath. x

No idea if it's relevant but....

On the 1891 that Andrew posted...

Above Charles Peters (Son in Law....Occupation Carter)...is Man Turner.

Man Turner on the image is actually........Ellen Peters....married daughter.

Ellen's Father Thomas is a.....Master Coffee Roaster

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Marriages Dec 1889 (>99%)
PETERS Charles West Derby 8b 648
Turner Ellen W. Derby 8b 648

Edit:....


Liverpool, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1921
about Charles Peters (Bachelor) Carter
Birth Year:abt 1868
Age:21
Marriage Date:25 Dec 1889
Res for both....57 Potter??? Street
Parish:Everton, Christ Church
Spouse's Name:Ellen Turner (Spinster)
Father's Name:Joseph Peters (Carpenter)
Spouse Father's Name:Thomas Turner (Coffee Maker)
Witnesses: Charles (Rekorasdrore????) and Jane (Clough???)

when /where did they die?

Has anyone pm'd the image of the marriage certificate?

Jude

I think most of them died in the Eastbourne area.