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Hi I only have a sub for ancestry.co.uk

Can someone do me a lookup in the US. I am looking for Charles Moody born 1909 Belfast. I know that at some time prior to 1935 he was living at 419 77th street, Brooklyn, New York. I can also see from Ancestry.co.uk that he went to New York on 19 Nov 1929 from Belfast.

The ancestry .co.uk indexes show him in the 1940 census (I think) in Kings, NY NY. It says is spouse is Agnes Moody (but this might be his sister)

Thanks

Una

1940

Name: Charles Moody
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Northern Ireland
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: New York, Kings, New York
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Lincoln Place
Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, Kings, New York
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Citizenship: Naturalized
Sheet Number: 1A
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 11
Occupation: Asst Manager
House Owned or Rented: Rented
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 40
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: College, 2nd year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 1800
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Moody 30 Assistant Manager, Restuarant
Agnes Moody 25 b. New Jersey
Charles K Moody 1/12

Thank you so much rootgather.

Is it possible to see his marriage?

Thank You

Una

1930

Name: Charles Moody, Assistant Saloon Steward
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1910
Birthplace: Northern Ireland, Belfast
Race: White
Port in 1930: New York, Bronx, New York
Page: 34A
Ship Name: Leviathan

????

Name: Charles Moody
SSN: 087-09-9572
Last Residence: 900 (U.S. Consulate) Dublin, Republic of Ireland
BORN: 2 Sep 1909
Last Benefit: 900 (U.S. Consulate) Dublin, Republic of Ireland
Died: Mar 1977
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)




Sorry, not seeing a marriage but perhaps it is too recent (ie less than 100 years). Not sure about dates for online American records.

Thank you so much.

:-D

Name: Charles Moody
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1940
Event Place: Assembly District 18, Brooklyn, New York City, Kings, New York, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 30
Marital Status: Married
Race (Original): White
Race: White
Relationship to Head of Household (Original): Head
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birthplace: Northern Ireland
Birth Year (Estimated): 1910
Last Place of Residence: Same Place
District: 24-2068A
Family Number: 11
Sheet Number and Letter: 1A
Line Number: 27
Affiliate Publication Number: T627
Affiliate Film Number: 2600
Digital Folder Number: 005458269
Image Number: 00383
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Charles Moody M 30 Northern Ireland
Wife Agnes Moody F 25 New Jersey
Son Charles K Moody M 0 New York

Hello Una, there was more than one man called Charles Moody born around the same time in Northern Ireland who travelled to the US in 1920s/1930s.

The November 1929 departure on the Cameronia lists Charles Moody as a student aged 20 from Ponsonby Ave, Belfast. Appears to be travelling alone.

How did you get the pre 1935 address? Any clues as to what his occupation was then?

Just want to be sure that the correct records are found for the right man.

Upon arrival he was headed to his cousin Mrs Annie McGowan of 7518 South May Street, Chicago Illinois.

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charles Moody
Arrival Date: 25 Nov 1929
Birth Date: abt 1909
Birth Location: Ni
Birth Location Other: white obber (Unreadable)
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Irish
Port of Departure: Belfast, Northern Ireland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Cameronia

In case it's useful for comparison this young man was 5'10" tall, had fair complexion and dark brown hair.

His father was Charles Moody of the same address as on the outgoing record.


Una - do these details confirm that it is definitely your man?

This is the aunt he was allegedly headed to (address on census is same as on arrival record)

1930 United States Federal Census

Name: Annie Mcgowan
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1882
Birthplace: Ireland
Race: White
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1926
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph C Mcgowan
Father's Birthplace: Ireland
Mother's Birthplace: Ireland

Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph C Mcgowan 52
Annie Mcgowan 48
Jennie Mcgowan 30
Margarette Mcgowan 25
Frank Mcgowan 21
Paul Mcgowan 19
Theresa Mcgowan 17

Everyone born Ireland.

Rootgatherer is definitely on the right track with the 1930 Merchant Seaman's census posted at 19:23 as this ties it in:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charles Moody
Arrival Date: 20 Sep 1930
Birth Date: abt 1909
Birth Location: Ireland
Age: 21
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Leviathan

He's an assistant steward, father is Charles Moody at 20 Ponsonby, Belfast.

Charles still has fresh complexion and brown hair but is strangely now only 5'7"

He made numerous trips back and forth across the Atlantic on various ships during 1930/1931 (might be why I'd initially thought there was more than one) all more or less with the same details.

Hi
The above Charles Moody seems to have the middle name Patrick, so I have just sent off for a birth certificate for Charles Patrick Moody b1909.

The birth certificate should tell me if the above if he is"my" Charles Moody (My Granny's cousin) as his parents should be Charles Robert Moody & Ellen McKeown.

The Ponsonby Ave is new to me.

His family ran pubs in Belfast so the occupation seems plausible.

The McGowan's are not know to me either (could this be McKeown) but they could be cousins on the mother's side.

Hope that makes sense.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Una

Una, getting the birth certificate is the best way to go to be sure of who we're looking at.

This is the naturalisation for a Charles Patrick:

U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995
Name: Charles Patrick Moody
Age: 29
Birth Date: abt 1910
Issue Date: 13 Jun 1939
State: New York
Locality, Court: Eastern District of New York, District Court

Very little info other than he lived 1062 Lincoln Place, Brooklyn.

Thank you Marie Celeste.

The above naturalised Charles Patrick is also the husband of Agnes and the father of Charles K Moody and also the merchant seaman - I hope I have got that right :)))

Is that right??

Sorry

:-S :-D :-D :-D

Una

Well, it's hard to say Una - they do seem to be one and the same.

Have just found this:

New York, Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
Name: Charles Patrick Moody
Arrival Date: 20 Jul 1931
Birth Date: abt 1909
Birth Location: Ireland
Age: 22
Port of Departure: Mediterranean Ports
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Exeter

He's a waiter and the Exeter features on some of the other records I mentioned earlier. On this record his father is Chas Moody of 378 94 Street, Brooklyn - so did his father emigrate too?

Hi

No Charles Moody senior didn't emigrate.He was in Belfast from the 1930s as my father remembered him being around all his childhood. However, I think Charles Patrick Moody came back to Ireland later as he appears to have died in Ireland.

Anyway, I will wait and see what the birth certificate says.

Thank you so very very much for your help. I really appreciate it and I will definitely pop back when the birth cert arrives!

Thank you

Una

Una - since he was born before partition, you can also get his b.cert thru Roscommon.
One can purchase certs (or cheaper still, the uncertified images of the rego) via:
http://www.groireland.ie/

You can search 1940 (and view images) at:
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES

You can search 1930, too, but images are trickier.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSLP-R68
Household ID: 540
Affiliate Film Number: 444 ***********1
GS Film number: 2340179
Digital Folder Number: 004584245
Image Number: 01002 *************2

Go to: https://archive.org/details/1930_census then Illinois
We want NARA reel 444 **1, then read online. Edit the URL
https://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel444#page/n0/mode/2up
to https://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel444#page/n1002/mode/1up
changing the page to 1002 **2, and the up-ness.
Magnify 4 clicks, then look up a name on this page. E.g.,
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XSL5-JGW
Image Number: 01008
so click 6 pages previous to:
https://archive.org/stream/illinoiscensus00reel444#page/n996/mode/1up
[addy=7578 South May St; looks like they were wed with kid(s) in 1901/11 Ireland
Jos immig 1923, and most of rest in 1926 -it wasn't unusual for some male to come out first, get stuff sorted, then for the family to join him.]

Una, do you have the family in the 1911 census?

The family are in the 1911 census but their ages have been mistranscribed. Charles Moody is shown as being 17 but the originating census document says 1.7 (as in one year and seven months). He is living at 16 York Street with his Mum and her family. Charles Robert Moody - his father - is living in Skegoneil Street with his mum..... Charles & his wife Nelly were together until they died so I don't know why they are separated in 1911 (family sickness?).

In 1901 Charles Robert Moody has again been mistranscribed his surname is his christian name and vice versa. He is Charles R - and there is just him and his first wife who was also called Nelly (Ellen Wilson) she dies and he married the second Nellie (Ellen McKeown) in 1905.

Marie Celeste thank you so much for those links. I will take a look.

Thank You

Una

Kind Regards

Una <3 <3

Thanks for that link to GRO Ireland - I didn't realise you could buy certificates on line for the Republic - the last time I did I bought a certificate from them I had to do it by post and send Euros!

Una