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23 Feb 2014 18:36 |
Thank you both for all your help. I will order those certs and have a good look at the info you have found for me.
Thanks again
All the best
Jane
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Chris Ho :)
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23 Feb 2014 16:11 |
(notes 1911 John and Rose Grey, states 11 children born, 9 living, 2 died)
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1911 GREY, John Head Married M 49 1862 Farm Bailiff Roxby Lincs GREY, Rose Wife Married26 years F 46 1865 South Killingholme Lincs GREY, Herbert Son Single M 22 1889 Saddler Ulceby Lincs GREY, Elise Daughter Single F 17 1894 Domestic South Killingholme Lincs GREY, Mary Daughter F 14 1897 Ulceby Lincs GREY, James Son M 9 1902 School Barton on Humber Lincs GREY, Ralph Son M 8 1903 School Barton on Humber Lincs GREY, Edith Daughter F 6 1905 School Barton on Humber Lincs BUSHBY, Charles Servant Single M 27 1884 Waggoner On Farm Waltham Lincs GREY, Frank Servant Single M 19 1892 Waggoner On Farm Thornton Lincs RG number: RG14 Piece: 20113 Reference: RG14PN20113 RG78PN1202 RD424 SD3 ED19 SN4 Registration District: Glanford Brigg Sub District: Barton Enumeration District: 19 Parish: Barton upon Humber Address: Greengate Farm Barton on Humber County: Lincolnshire
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Dea
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23 Feb 2014 15:46 |
Marriage
Year: 1885 Month: Mar Date: 9
Male Surname: Grey Male Firstname(s): John Male Age: 23 Male Condition: Bachelor Male Profession: Farm Labourer Male Residence: South Killingholme
Male Father's Name: Frank Grey Male Father's Profession: Farm Labourer Female Surname: Kendall Female Firstname(s): Rose Barran Female Age: 19 Female Condition: Spinster Female Profession: Servant Female Residence: South Killingholme
Female Father's Full Name: William Kendall Female Father's Profession: Farm Lavbourer
Witness 1: Matthey J Dawson Witness 2: E Ann Dawson
Registration District: Glanford brigg Solemnized At: Wesleyan Chapel Barton District Of: Glanford Brigg Lincoln Married By: Certificate
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23 Feb 2014 14:54 |
1891 GREY, John Head Married M 28 1863 Agricultural Labourer Roxby, Lincolnshire GREY, Rose Wife Married F 25 1866 South Killingholme, Lincolnshire GREY, Charles Henry Son Single M 5 1886 Scholar North Killingholme, Lincolnshire GREY, George Herbert Son Single M 2 1889 Ulceby, Lincolnshire GREY, Alice Elizabeth Daughter Single F 0 (7M) 1891 Thornton Curtis, Lincolnshire Piece: 2629 Folio: 48 Page: 2 Registration District: Glanford Brigg Civil Parish: Thornton Curtis Municipal Borough: Address: Village Street, Thornton Curtis County: Lincolnshire
(not sure of things here!, but above is a John and Rose)
Baptism County Lincolnshire Place Roxby cum Risby Church St Mary RegisterNumber 522 DateOfBirth BaptismDate 11 May 1862 Forename John Sex M FatherForename Frank MotherForename Sarah FatherSurname GREY MotherSurname Abode Roxby FatherOccupation Labourer
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
Chris :)
(lol, snap! Dea, just back in 'chair' here, and was getting slightly confused!)
http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1009282
(on above Jane you was looking for Alice?)
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Dea
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23 Feb 2014 14:53 |
For reference then:
Marriages Mar 1885 (>99%) BULLIMENT William Glanford B. 7a 892 Grey John Glanford B. 7a 892 Hamilton James Glanford B. 7a 892 Kendall Rose Barran Glanford B. 7a 892 Oldridge Jane Glanford Brigg 7a 892
1901 England Census about John Grey Name: John Grey Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Spouse: Rose Grey Birth Place: Roxby, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Barton on Humber Ecclesiastical parish: Barton on Humber St Mary County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Street address:
View image Registration district: Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district: Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3108 Folio: 5 Page Number: 1 Household schedule number: 3 Household Members: Name Age John Grey 38 Agricultural Foreman Rose Grey 36 Herbert Grey 12 Alice Grey 10 Frank Grey 9 Elise Grey 7 Evelina Grey 4 Thomas Cook 20 Thomas Booth 23 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3108; Folio: 5; Page: 1.
1891 England Census about Charle Henry Grey Name: Charle Henry Grey Age: 5 Estimated birth year: abt 1886 Relation: Son Father's Name: John Grey Mother's name: Rose Grey Gender: Male Where born: Nth Killingholme, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Thornton Curtis Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence Town: Thornton Curtis County/Island: Lincolnshire Country: England Registration district: Glanford Brigg Sub-registration district: Barton ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2629 Folio: 48 Page Number: 2 Household Members: Name Age John Grey 28 Ag Lab. Rose Grey 25 Charle Henry Grey 5 George Herbert Grey 2 Alice Elizabeth Grey 7/12
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2629; Folio: 48; Page: 2; GSU Roll: 6097739.
As you say, you really need to buy that marriage cert to see if his father was John - I can't see any other way to prove that you are on the right track.
Dea x
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Dea
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23 Feb 2014 12:58 |
It was Chris who posted it at 10.31 ;-) :-D :-D
Jane, I always think that it is better to work backwards from what you already know but it looks like you are now trying to 'join up the dots inbetween' ?? :-D
Have to cook lunch just now but I will take a look after that to see if I can help ?
Dea Xxx
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PricklyHolly
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23 Feb 2014 12:07 |
I think you are going mad because the only time i posted that marriage was at 11.07.
:-D
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Jane
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23 Feb 2014 12:00 |
Hi Dea
He is not a direct relative of mine. I know I am breaking the rules but I am coming down this branch line not going back. If that makes sense.
My relative is John gray 1777-1850 and Jane Tweed 1775-1850 they had a son called George Gray b 1811 -1870 who married Ann Hollingsworth 1811/c1887 They had a son Frank 1836-1910 who married Alice Curdocck1834-1878 They had a son John gray 1862-1936 who married Rose Kendall 1866-1926 Charles Henry is their son.
So I think It is probably best to leave it here until I get the certs I need to proove he's mine one way or another and then go from there.
Thank you so much for your help
Jane.
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Jane
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23 Feb 2014 11:45 |
Thanks PricklyHolly
I think I will have to send for this marriage cert just to make sure I have his father correct. I hope The two baptisms that Chris found I hope are wrong or I have made a mistake somewhere.
The Army records Dea has found for him look promising. Its quite confusing. The name Collingwood and Rebecca Hicks rings a bell but as of yet i can't find them in my records.
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Dea
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23 Feb 2014 11:44 |
Jane,
I presume that one of the children of Charles Henry is a direct ancestor of yours?
Can you tell us which one and how you have worked your way back to a Charles Henry please?
Dea x
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Jane
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23 Feb 2014 11:38 |
The army records Dea found are looking good. If I have got the parents correct then the other army records are wrong and so are the baptism records. So it is looking like I need to get the birth cert aswell.
All the best and thank you for your help
Jane
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Jane
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23 Feb 2014 11:29 |
I am going mad PricklyHollys entry has come back but not mine. I think it is time I had a cup of tea.
Jane
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Jane
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23 Feb 2014 11:28 |
I must be going mad
I am sure PricklyHolly added a marriage date for these two and I put on a reply saying thankyou and that I must send for the marriage cert to make sure ihad the correct father for Charles Henry Gray but this seems to have vanished.
Jane
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PricklyHolly
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23 Feb 2014 11:07 |
Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%) Drinkall Alice Glanford B. 7a 1769 Grey Charles Henry Glanford B. 7a 1769
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Jane
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23 Feb 2014 11:05 |
Sorry It has taken me a while to get back to you all but my Mum just popped round out of the blue.
Thank you Chris and Dea for all your help.
There seems to be a problem here because I have his parents as John Grey and Rose . I will have to look into this to make sure I don't go down the wrong line here. This could be tricky.
The name Collingsworth Collingswood. Could it be Hollingsworth rings a bell So I will have to investigate this further.
Thank you so much for all your help
Jane
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Dea
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23 Feb 2014 10:56 |
These are obviously some of the births for this couple:
Births Mar 1912 Gray Arthur D Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1339
Births Mar 1914 Grey Carita Drinkall Glanford B 7a 1299 Births Dec 1915 GREY Elsie Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1129 Births Dec 1919 Grey Freda Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1338
The third one on the list in his records could well be Arthur (+ a second name)
The 4th IS Carita
The last one 'could be an Elsie and the year 'could' say 1915 but it really is impossible to be sure as the writing is VERY bad!
That leaves little Freda who may of course have died ??
Dea x
EDIT - Freda didn't die - she wasn't born yet !! - The card with the children listed in his records was completed on 1st May, 1919 and she wasn't born until later in that year !
Dea x
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Chris Ho :)
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23 Feb 2014 10:31 |
Third child could be Arthur, not too clear!.
Chris :)
Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------------- Drinkall Alice Glanford B. 7a 1769 Grey Charles Henry Glanford B. 7a 1769
Births Mar 1912 (>99%) ----------------------------------------------------- Gray Arthur D Drinkall Glanford B. 7a
Births Mar 1914 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------- Grey Carita Drinkall Glanford B 7a 1299
Births Dec 1915 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------- GREY Elsie Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1129
Births Dec 1919 (>99%) --------------------------------------------------------- Grey Freda Drinkall Glanford B. 7a 1338
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Chris Ho :)
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23 Feb 2014 10:22 |
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 First name(s): Charles Henry Last name: GRAY Calculated year of birth: 1886 Parish of birth: Helpringham Town of birth: Sleaford County of birth: Lincolnshire Age at attestation: 17 years 3 months Attestation date: 28 October 1903 Attestation corps: 3RD BATT LEICESTERSHIRE REGIMENT Attestation soldier number: 8709 Discharge rank: Discharge corps: Leicestershire Regiment - 17th Foot Discharge soldier number: The National Archives reference: WO96
(in case of confusion, above has Father, William Collingsworth? (Collingswood) Gray. Sleaford)
Chris :)
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He was Single, worked as a Bottler, for Mr. Whitbread. Sister, Maud Dwyer, 25, Garfield Street, Leicester.
1901 DWYER, William J Head Married M 32 1869 Boot Warehouseman Marker Leicester, Leicestershire DWYER, Maud Wife Married F 22 1879 Helpringham, Lincolnshire DWYER, Ethel Daughter Single F 0 (2 MOS) 1901 Lester, Leicestershire DWYER, Florence Daughter Single F 0 (2 MOS) 1901 Lester, Leicestershire Piece: 2988 Folio: 130 Page: 31 Registration District: Leicester Civil Parish: Leicester Municipal Borough: Address: 34, Garfield Street, Leicester County: Leicestershire
1891 GRAY, William Head Married M 49 1842 Inn Keeper Langtoft, Lincolnshire GRAY, Deborah Wife Married F 43 1848 Billingborough, Lincolnshire GRAY, Charles H Son M 4 1887 Scholar Helpringham, Lincolnshire PENN, Maud Daughter F 13 1878 Heckington, Lincolnshire Piece: 2581 Folio: 12 Page: 18 Registration District: Sleaford Civil Parish: Helpringham Municipal Borough: Address: The Green, Helpringham County: Lincolnshire
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23 Feb 2014 10:17 |
There are more children on the army record but I cannot read the names - perhaps someone could take a look?
Married 24.6.06
John Henry 3.12.06 Lawrence 18. 5. 10 ???? 22. 1. 12 ???? 13. 1. 14 ???? 4 10. 18
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23 Feb 2014 10:08 |
Army records are on Ancestry:
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 about Charles Harry Grey Name: Charles Harry Grey Document Year: 1919 Regimental Number: 290302 Regiment Name: Royal Garrison Artillery Number of Images: 13
I think the name on the record is Charles HENRY but they are in very bad condition. - He is married to Alice though.
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