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Does anyone have this person as a relative. He is my Great, Great, Great, Great, grandfather?
How do you search older records than this.
Can someone please advise me.
Thanks and kind regards,
Keith Bonser

This is very close to the above place



England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906

Name:Thomas Bonser

Gender:Male

Christening Date:29 May 1785

Christening Place:Wysall, Nottinghamshire, England

Father's Name:
William Bonser

Mother's Name:
Sarah

Ancestry also has some Nottinghamshire PRs. The record from there gives a bit more info, ie his parish and that the marriage was by licence:


Nottinghamshire, England, Extracted Parish Records
about Thomas Bonser Mary Smith
Text:
Thomas Bonser, of Kinoulton, & Mary Smith, lic. 26 May 1812
Book:Marriages at Cropwell Bishop, 1539 to 1812. (Marriage)
Collection:Nottinghamshire: - Register of Marriages, 1539-

Another record from Ancestry gives even more info:

Text:
23 May 1812 Thomas Bonsor, of Kinoulton, farmer, 21, & Mary Smith, of Cropwell Bishop, spr., 21; at Cropwell Bishop.
Book:Marriages. (Marriage)
Collection:Nottinghamshire: - Abstracts of Marriage Licences, 1701-1853

Are you sure that his wife's name was Mary, as there are other marriages for Thomas Bonsors about the same time.

If the above is your Thomas, this could be his baptism:


England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Thomas Bonser
Gender:Male
Baptism Date:6 Jan 1793
Baptism Place:Kinoulton,Nottingham,England
Father: John Bonser
Mother: Ann
FHL Film Number:462987, 504064, 504518

Hello Keith.......just to back up infor from Ginny and Potty:

Thomas Bonser and Mary had at least two children baptised at Kinoulton..one of several small villages within a few miles of each other,,including Cropwell Bishop. Cropwell Butler and Whysall among others:

William 27.11.1814
Mary 13.10.1816

All the best

Derek.

Thomas and Mary in 1851 - the two Hailes women are unmarried, sister-in-laws and there is a tree on Ancestry who has a Thomas married to Mary Hailes:


1851 England Census
Thomas Bonser

Age:53
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1798
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Mary Bonser
Gender:Male
Where born:Kinoulton, Nottinghamshire, England
Civil Parish:Christchurch
County/Island:Middlesex

Thomas Bonser 53
Mary Bonser 67 - b Churchill, Oxon
William James Bonser 23 b Clerkenwell, Middx
Eliza Verling 32
Sarah Rottenborough 16
William Spouler 44
Ann Hailes 83 b Churchill
Sarah Hailes 76 b Churchill

Baptism for William James:
William James Bonser
Birth Date:6 Jul 1827
Birth Place:Northampton Square Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Gender:Male
Event Type:Birth
Father:Thomas Bonser
Mother:Mary Hailes
Denomiation:Presbyterian, Independent or Baptist

Piece Title:
Piece 130: Certificate nos: 2501-3000, Vol 6 (1832 Apr 11-Nov 12

Keith, how have you got back to Thomas, as there were obviously more than one b in Kinoulton.

This looks like the Thomas who married Mary Smith - although his age is out:


1851 England Census
about Thomas Bonser

Thomas Bonser
Age:64
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1787
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Mary Bonser
Gender:Male
Where born:Kinoulton, Northamptonshire, England

Thomas Bonser 64
Mary Bonser 61
George Smith Bonser 24


Civil Parish:
Tansor

County/Island:
Northamptonshire

Country:
England

Potty..it is unlikely that Thomas and Mary who seem to have had William J in 1827..in Clerkenwell are the same couple who had William in 1814 in Kinoulton.....and I personally treat all trees
on Ancestry with a high degree of suspicion..particularly as most of them are copied wholesale from other trees..thus also copying blatant mistakes.
(One of my hobbies is finding these mistakes)

EDIT...you can discount the Clerkenwell connection completely.according to which..Thomas Bonser is a Salesman..his wife from Churchill...(1851).......The family were are looking at are still in Kinoulton in 1851.....Thomas from Kinoulton Mary from Cropwell Bishop..and they are farmers with several servants.their first two children have moved on and George wa born 1827...significantly with a middle name of Smith.

Derek

Keith.....most of what we've found says Thomas Mary were born about 15 years after your guestimate of 1775.......1791 is hardly c1775..HELP PLEASE!!!

Derek.

Agree with you about Ancestry trees, Derek. Have found one today with a girl b1799 marrying in 1804 - maybe that owner isn't good at maths!

Also, the second 1851 I posted is obviously the couple who married in 1812 but until Keith tells us which Thomas he is descended from, we can't tell which of the 1851s is the right family.

Potty..I've sent him a PM...asking him to return to his Thread............I hope he does because there is an awful lot of good work totally wasted on here, by loads of people who do not return to their thread..or worse, who DO return to their thread and never acknowledge the work done for them.

Derek.

Let's hope he does come back, Derek!

Thank you all for the help with this. I really appreciate your assistance.
Kind regards,
Keith :-)

Potty / Derek,
This looks like the Thomas who married Mary Smith - although his age is out: (THIS IS CORRECT)
1851 England Census
about Thomas Bonser

Thomas Bonser
Age:64
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1787 (I HAVE 1785 FOR THE BIRTH)
Relation:Head
Spouse's Name:Mary Bonser
Gender:Male
Where born:Kinoulton, Northamptonshire, England

Thomas Bonser 64
Mary Bonser 61
George Smith Bonser 24
I HAVE A WILLIAM BONSER & SARAH AS MOTHER & FATHER OF THOMAS.
I HAVE A THOMAS AS THOMAS & MARY'S SON BUT HAVE NOT FOUND THE GEORGE RELATION.
I AM ONLY A STANDARD MEMBER AND ARE STRUGGLIG TO NAVIGATE THE SITE.
IT MAY BE ME BUT I CANNOT SEE SOME OF THE SEARCHES YOU HAVE OBVIOUSLY LOOKED AT.
ANY HELP IS GRATEFULLY ACCEPTED.
KIND REGARDS
KEITH :-)

Hi Keith

Is this what you are after, I'm a little confused with your last post?



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:George Smith Bonser

Gender:Male

Baptism Date:9 Oct 1827

Baptism Place:Glapthorne, Northampton, England

Father: Thomas Bonser

Mother: Mary

FHL Film Number:1999388

Reference ID:p1



England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:George Smith Bonser <<Farmer

Probate Date:17 Feb 1897

Death Date:10 Dec 1896

Death Place:Northamptonshire, England

Registry:Peterborough


Probate to James Bonser & Charles Pitts, farmers £11955 3s 11d



His wifes probate


England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

Name:Jane Gee Bonser of: 143 Lincoln Rd

Probate Date:28 Jan 1916

Death Date:24 Nov 1915

Death Place:Peterborough, England

Registry:Peterborough

Probate to: William Edward Sharpe, insurance agent & Thomas Nottingham, farmer £2609 14s 7d

Seems the Thomas mentioned in Janes probate is her brother


1871 England Census

Name:Jane Gee Nottingham

Age:35

Estimated Birth Year:abt 1836

Relation:Sister

Gender:Female

Where born:Bainton, Northamptonshire, England

Civil Parish:Ufford

County/Island:Northamptonshire

Country:England

Registration District:Stamford

Sub-registration District:Barnack

ED, institution, or vessel:5

Household Schedule Number:28

Piece:3310

Folio:75

Page Number:6

Household Members:


Thomas Nottingham 29
Eliza Nottingham 33
Eliza Mason 66
Harriet Habbst 16
Jane Gee Nottingham 35



Her baptism



England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name:Jane Gee Nottingham

Gender:Female

Baptism Date:7 Oct 1832

Baptism Place:Bainton, Northampton, England

Father: Edward Nottingham

Mother:Jane

FHL Film Number:1999015

Reference ID:item 3