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Since Elham now falls under Kent RD, I can do an online search in their local index for the 4 names of interest at:
http://www.kent.gov.uk/KCC.ROIS.Web.Sites.Public/Pages/MarriageSearch.aspx


Kent Registration Services - Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates

Name HOLKHAM, Flora, A
Year Of Marriage 1909
Entry Number 68
Register SERO/20

Name NUNN, James, J
Year Of Marriage 1909
Entry Number 67
Register SERO/20

Name SHOVELER, Frederick
Year Of Marriage 1909
Entry Number 68
Register SERO/20

Name REED, Mary, R
Year Of Marriage 1909
Entry Number 67
Register SERO/20



Note which pairs have the same entry #.
The presence of an "RO" in the church code bit of the Register code suggests to me that this is from the registrar's own register.
This was mostly used for rego office marrs, since most non-conformists were authorized to keep official registers from 1898.
However, RCs weren't authorized until the 1980s (I think), so the registrar would still have to attend RC marrs so the couple could sign his official rego - such entries would be mixed in with the usual rego office marrs.

There are links to more online local indexes at http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/local_bmd

Thank you everyone for your help....The relationship to me is not a close one so I wont be purchasing a cert...I was just curious to see who she married....
I have tried different spellings of the name but haven't really come up with much!!

Thanks again
Jules x

I was wondering if he was not born a Shoveler, but maybe his mother married someone called Shoveler and he took his step father's name?

I think the marriage certificate is essential to solve this one!

There are Shovel(l)ers around, but not for Frederick, or Alfred even.

So I would want the marriage certificate - but it depends how close the relationship is.

No, I've looked under all sorts of names but nothing coming up.

Death looks pretty good though!

Has anyone found the birth of Frederick Shoveller, or him in any censuses?

Is this his death, or is there another likely one?

Frederick Shoveller
Birth Date: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Mar 1956
Age at Death: 66
Registration District: Chanctonbury
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 670

Have checked 1901 Scottish census and there is a Shoveller family living in Glasgow. Head of household is a marine engineer from Hampshire, so births may belong to them.

Drat!!!

Just done a quick search on scotlands people and there are no births in scotland between 1909 and 1930 with the surname Shoveler, but using the search for variants of the name there are 2.
Don't have any credits to view but may be worth buying some credits just to see, but then wouldn't want you spend money if they aren't relevant, so...............????

EDIT:- Births are under the name Shoveller, so a very close variant.

I know what my next move would be!

Ooooo just had a thought!

They may not be in Ireland in 1911, but what about Scotland?????

Found her father with son Charles, but no sign of Flora:-

1911 England Census about Charles Holkham
Name: Charles Holkham
Age in 1911: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Maidstone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address: 8 Barton Road, Maidstone, Kent
Marital status: Widowed
Occupation: sole Porter
Registration District: Maidstone
Registration District Number: 51
Sub-registration District: Maidstone
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household Schedule Number: 148
Piece: 4129
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Thomas William Holkham 29
Frances May Holkham 30
Alfred Charles Holkham 2
Elizabeth Eveyln Holkham 7/12
Charles Holkham 64

I've found Flora's sisters, Ellen and Edith in 1911, but can't find her other sister Beatrice or her father Charles. Beatrice looks not to have married until 1917 and her father doesn't seem to have died until 1918 so they should be there somewhere.

Thinking down the lines that Frederick was in the army (or such) I thought Flora may have been staying with her family but .......................?

No trace in Ireland 1911

Andy

I was wondering that Andy.

There is this:-

British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Frederick Shovelar
Name: Frederick Shovelar
Regiment or Corps: Royal Garrison Artillery
Regimental Number: 157731

..........................but can't see any records to go with it.

Could Fred have been in Army/Navy and been abroad?

Andy

Very late, but could this be a child?

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page

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Births Mar 1927 (>99%)
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Shoveller Jean N B Holkham Brighton 2b 320


Andy

Me neither lol

Oh drat! Where the h*** are they? :-S

I can't see them anywhere !

Yes Ann it's near Folkestone...

Elham is in Kent

Yes Catherine that could be her death...I have tried looking on 1911 census with the name Shoveler but I still cant find her...Im using ancestry...
Thanks alviegal...


Jules x